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If there's a gap between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, then there's a gap. It's just not something that stands out to me and is underscored as the six-day creation event is. The theistic evolutionists try to harmonize the bible and evolution too. I don't think 4.5 billion years is long enough to account for evolution. (hence the big push for punctuated equilibrium.) the YECs do point to artifacts around the world with pictures of dinosaurs. Cave paintings, Greek/Egyptian pottery, the Ishtar gate etc. They also point the the common legend of dragons throughout all cultures, their described anatomy etc. ("dinosaur" is a modern term) Whether this stuff is authentic or not I cannot know. There's also the ropen and mokele-mbembe stuff. Although if a modern dinosaur showed up it would prove nothing. Gap theory posses a problem for me because if the earth was without form and void, how did the fossil record survive? Why are there living fossils from the time of dinosaurs? If the devil had previously ruled the world how does he survive the cataclysm? Why wasn't he destroyed then? If mammoths lived during the Ice Age, then there was light at the time of the Ice Age?

I just don't see evidence of any flood in the Jeremiah record. So I just thought it was a future event. The devil's story I'd like to look into more. I understand then that according to Gap Theorists, God remade a lot of animals. If He remade the coelacanth, He could have remade dinosaurs too. Thus even under Gap Theory, dinosaurs could have been on Noah's Ark?

I'm not sure where the waters came from in either scenario. If they came from beyond the universe, perhaps in the form of ice (comets) I'm sure they could do a lot of damage. Perhaps the supposed planet that exploded between Mars and Jupiter was to take the impact of the comets and slow them down, for a less devestating impact on earth. The resulting asteroids would of course cause damage to other heavenly bodies then and now. A larger comet may have impacted earth, destablizing the plates. Maybe the smaller comets, upon entering earths atomosphere, melted and caused the rains of Noah's flood. Craters on the moon and other planets could be easily explained with this. Just my thoughts. I don't know what the YECs or other creationist think. I would think comets would work for either school of thought.

Jeremiah Chapter 4 "I beheld" certainly sounds visionary. This record sounds like war, not a flood, and of a future event, not the past?

We'll need bigger ballparks.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i3/softgap.asp I guess there are two other gap theories. One is called soft gap theory and is between Genesis 1:2 and 1:3. The other is proposed to be between 1:5 and 1:6.

Doesn't vpw get compared to Jesus too? I pointed this out on a recent service to someone. The wayfer said that's not what was meant. I guess a good metaphor for vpw needs to fall somewhere between Jesus Christ and Hitler.

Dawkins once wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/...60608090207.htm If we allowed performance enhancers, wouldn't breeding be the next step? Or some type of genetic manipulation?

Thanks Sunesis and griffp. This is interesting. Does anyone know if the Gap Theorists have a model like the YECs do? The YECs believe that Noah's flood and the continent split in Peleg's day can explain a lot of things, and they are working on trying to see if their model can explain the details too. They even have explanations as how the flood would cause the Ice Age evidence. I guess the Gap Theorists would have another flood to work with?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/...60608090207.htm not everything had to be big.

I'm not trying to argue. He's a wimp.

I don't understand. I didn't see lcm anywhere. How can good compete??

Cool website. I looked around in Alaska. No mammoths.

Do you know which verses these are?

Dr. Micheal Denton. I've read in a number of places he's a ex-evolutionist who is not Christian. Thus I'm confused as to why he's so associated with Creation Science.

Oh George, I brought my education level up because someone told me on the other thread to go to college. "Oh, you're not convinced of evolution? You therefore must . . . be uneducated? lack critical thinking skills? worship a sky god? have studied at diploma mill? have an ulterior christian fundamentalist motive? are set in your ways? hit your head?" Feel free to believe I'm just some kid using www.google.com Where evolution matters most now is at the genetic level. How does it work? Really? Until that question is answered for me in detail and it makes sense to me I'm open to the creationist ideas. (Oh wait, if I don't understand it, that means somethings wrong with me. I forgot. )

Do you only see two sides to this? Creationists are not united. Evolutionists are not united. Atheism doesn't guarantee a scientist believes in evolution, nor does a scientist being religious guarantee they don't believe in evolution. http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/

It came up in the Adam and Eve thread that they were looking for the messiah from the beginning. (Eve thought Cain was him, but not so) It would be understandable that all religions carry some variant of this if they can all be traced back to common roots.

I wanted to toss the Bible out. But the evolutionists could no longer convince me. I will consider what the creationist have to say. What if they're right? It's bad science because why? They're cheating? The Bible is a very old book, it can't hold any clues? Science has claimed to know everything. I referred to the Quantum Revolution more than once.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4379577.stm Do you have the link? It's still weird that it is flexible. And blood cells?

It that Grand Canyon point on the Link?

So, did Jesus learn from Buddha?

Do creationist think that U-235 doesn't have a half-life of more than 10,000 years? My question has to do with the rocks and such. The different types of radiometric dating correspond, but does that mean we can follow the curve back the whole way? How does the sun affect them? How does large amounts of heat affect them? Pressure? If they were all affect by the same things of course they would still correspond. Is light wave energy or a particle? How well do we understand light? Isn't there something that travels faster? (Quasars?) We can bend light with prisms and gravity can pull it in (black holes). Dinosaurs were big. So we couldn't possibly have lived along side them? What do you make of T-Rex soft tissue? T-Rex blood vessels left intact for 65 million years? The Quantum Revolution. Every time science thinks its got it figured out, someone comes up with a revolutionary idea.

The idea that the Earth is old began before radiometric dating was known. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

Assumptions. Scientists assume the world to be old. They assume their dating methods work, and there are a number of assumptions in the theories of how they work. I'm a scientist. When I write a report, I indicate my assumptions. Science does not, and cannot, know everything. I do not know why people think that science is separate from biased opinions of human beings. As data comes in, old theories are challenged, even gravity. The old geological earth is based on an assumption that slow erosion caused formations like the Grand Canyon. All new ideas are assumed to fit under the old idea.