Bolshevik

Learning to cross lines was part of life in twi. Not doing so was "resistance to God". I would always rationalize "I'm just a kid, or "young person", what do I know? Do what your told." Witnessing was always a pain. Get in someone's face and tell them they need what you have (which is what?) You had to jump in despite the fear. You just leap. Or "bless sharings", take a class, go on an outreach program, then come back and tell everyone how it blessed you, how you saw the hand of God in action, and changed people's lives. Sometimes this would be in front of a limb, people would be staring back at you, eyes twinkling and big smiles. Words would come from nowhere, probably just repeating back what they (the folks in the crowd) told me before. It was like speaking in tongues; "bullcr@p bullcr@p bullcr@p a la shanta". An autopilot behavior. I thought is was stupid, but everyone would smile ear to ear and look like they'd never been happier. Yee ha, I blessed people. It seems some people continue this into leadership and others just stay on the side and support it, even for decades, living vicariously through them. The boundary leaping was part of the euphoria, a high. You'll overcome fear, the adversary got kicked in the teeth, you're making God happy, or some bullcr@p. I wonder if guys like lcm, aggressive by nature, had such a momentum built up that, before they realized what they're hands had done, it was too late.

"future rewards" could include seeing loved ones at "the gathering", "current prosperity" could include health and wealth for those around you. It was a means to change the world in a way that nobody else could.

That's cool you're willing to do that. I know of folks where, leadership, who've now left twi, go crawling back for forgiveness, they need a friend and such, but those folks aren't ready for it. They're still bitter. It's kinda sad. P.S. listen to dooj

Just because twi has millions, doesn't mean anyone is living like a millionaire. Maybe vpw and lcm did. But not now. Rosie supposedly has her own funding and drives and Oldsmobile. Donn@ lives in a dorm. Rosie has a boat, but it ain't twi property as far as I know. They work long hours like everyone else. The board might live a little better, but really not that much, insignificant by today's standards. Heck, Pl@tig couldn't keep up with the work load when rfr was out of town. (I guess he went south) Taking money away, I don't know what that could accomplish.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...l=allen+lawsuit

Have you searched for the @llen lawsuit? Maybe it's on Waydale stuff. settled out of court I think, guess the jugular can't be hit. if twi was to last, maybe the lawsuit is what it needed. We'll have to wait and see. Hopefully, it'll just *bloop*. but who cares . . .

Isn't twi a corporation or something? Maybe not. If it is, was it always? Who are we suing? For what? Money? Why? vpw is gone. lcm is an outcast. rfr is old. Who are the rest? What are they guilty of? Isn't it just one group of beliefs against another? Not for the courts is it? Maybe someday. I don't know.

I think a pro-vpw beliefs forum would be good. There are a lot of folks who probably don't post here who don't like what he did, but like the belief system still. Maybe they're intimidated to post here. It would be interesting to see what happens in another forum, disagreements among the evolving beliefs and such, if anything.

Some of the uh, dissenters, are from old twi, as far as I can tell. They'd probably be rejected by today's and tomorrow's twi too. I'm sure that's gotta sting.

I'd recommend approaching with a bible in hand, and discussing beliefs, just the beliefs. Discussing leadership or the system will only raise the walls. Get to know the beliefs well before poking holes in them.

She was supposed to put a second book out. I believe her passing prevented that.

You have a way of putting things lightly, not my talent, for sure. Adieu

I don't think I share you're ideas on responsibility. Our actions and attitudes contribute to something much bigger. To isolate each individuals input and judge them on that. . . I think something gets lost. It's too big. I don't think you can really blame vpw or leadership for today's twi followers. Being snared doesn't describe them.

Equally, or 2%, I don't care. Any amount is enough. Are we focusing on just the raped women here?

and he's not here to punish or demand stupid apologies from. People who did choose or still choose or are starting to choose to make a god out of him are though. Internet or no internet, people choose to do this.

I'm not excluding myself. I am born of twi and it will always be part of what I am, without it, there wouldn't be me, I'm a result, with all my wayfer thinking and attitudes. I feel responsibility to see to it that it is squelched. I wasn't there to start twi, I feel responsible though.

It was sarcasm, yes.

harsh toward whom? Is it harsh because I said it, or because it's a reality we deal with?

I didn't start this thread. A better thread would have been about if the corps were victims, or if it is possible to take responsibility for The Way. Better to peg it on a guy who died @24 years ago. Makes it easy for people to just walk away or sit at a computer. People have had decades to do something. Why wouldn't my mind be made up? I don't make this stuff up.

He could have been misguided? Took bad advice? And that clouded his vision of things? The "W" on the compass looked like an "N"? At some point, his actions would be clearly wrong to many, but you can't really make a judgment about what going on inside. It could seem okay to him, in his world. Now, if you were operating "all nine", you would know right away. . .

Of course, he could have been brainwashed into it . . . A wayfers life is a fantasy in their head. When they are not allowed to have it they leave.

Maybe I asked already, he became a minister, thinking he would make a difference, then got all selfish? I do agree that it is a you said "more complex". You can't know what his real motives were.

My "sex talk" with my father was "don't become a homo, and don't you dare bring an unbelieving wife into this house!" I believe the behavioral tendency to set up boundaries like these are inherent within our genetics, like a lot of things.

one could look at altruism as "me" oriented, it makes you feel good, i.e. "helper's high"

perhaps maybe. People leave when twi no longer serves their imaginations . . .