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I'm still on the mailing list, they probably still count me, and others. They're still waiting for some of us to "get over it" and come back "home".

I always saw the yellow ones. had that little metal ruler for underlining neatly and keeping notes straight

this number was joke, BTW but it's probably in the ballbark

maybe there wasn't any fall. in that case, marriage is based on economy, for a time that no longer exists.

I was thinking "followed pretty girl" was similar to following a spouse. Probably should have been separate. "Date and switch" should have been and option too, but I thought that was following someone too. following a friend, testing the water for someone else and getting sucked in anyway, they all seem to be variations of making the choice yourself or being tied to another. with drinking, well, if you choose to drink too much, you choose the consequences? Now, if you were drugged, or someone put a sack over your head and locked you in a room with a tv, vcr, and pfal, there's something . . .

Actually, in the christian view as I understand it, it came prior to the laws of moses, in the garden, with eve, after the fall.

OMG!!!! I just found a book called "Me? Obey Him?" by Elizabeth Rice Handford My wife was tossing it out and I was like "Hey, don't you want to read that?" (She didn't think it was funny either ) I'll have to skim through this later. I believe this very book was originally tossed by W@nd@ or Mrs. W--. The first page is ripped out. Maybe it had note from a husband a long time ago . . . i dunno.

I believe he's originally from there, I doubt the offer he turned down from the orioles was stingy. I assume the boos feel a little personal.

Oh, I'll second that . . . *runs to the freezer*

Sabathia had only his 5th start with no Ks and Texiera is getting nothing but boos. Money well spent.

Ephesians was written to Ephesus, in Asia Minor, a Greco-Roman culture? Perhaps marriage is an archaic practice. I wonder if it will fade someday.

As far as I know Paul was assigning a new behavior for husbands, at least for that culture. Perhaps he was saying that the women ought to respect there husbands, becuase this new behavior could be seen as a sign of weakness in that culture, and therefore the women would be ashamed of their husbands? just a thought.

maybe this goes along with what you're saying, but I think a lot of the gods were once human. What I mean is people who once had exceptional abilities, like you mentioned, were made gods over time. (anthropomorphism? don't think that's the right word i dunno). Throw in magical explanations of natural things and you've got a religion. an idea. had vpw lived 4000 years ago he'd be made a god, maybe not. but people have to be drawn to him, and why do they decide to do that? i dunno. the leaders have to draw on something already there i think

I hear the next verse(s) were actually revolutionary considering the times back then. Like two sticks holding each other up. A teepee I guess.

haven't read the whole thread, but

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It would've been better if I put it in the topic title. . .

I put down "joined" twi. That could mean different things to different people. "first fellowship" "took the class" "got in the word" they may have been a period of time that people were going to fellowship once in a blue moon, but later got more involved. each individual can decide what it means to them.

This is a nonscientific poll. Results are meaningless.

vpw was not a modern-day Paul equivalent (the Christian version, we'll go with), but yes, an apprentice-like attitude would be shared, for many at least. aspiring to the standard of scripture, the "literal according to usage" version of timothy of course. The shared idea that vpw could give us the truest interpretation, other interpretations being skewed by the adversary and trinitarians.

me neither, not to my knowledge these people were a dime a dozen, at least that's what I remember If you were committing the act, many were supporting it, dismissing those "rumors that have been around for years". The love of the founder would be/have been a similarity.

Yeah, I don't think that lcm = vpw. Even twi disposed of lcm to protect the legend. lcm's power really can from vpw, as far as I can tell. (and I don't intend to dig into vpw's psyche in this thread) I'm really interested though, in seeing if there is common ground between lcm, and joe believer. That is probably a very uncomfortable thought for many. If they differ, how? I know 99% of folks did not commit the outward acts lcm did, but what would be common on the inside? I'll try to explain better as I find the words.

There's what your parents taught you. There's social norms. Biological/Genetic drives. Proper behavior inside/outside twi. Probably more. And in many cases they conflict. I mentioned "using all nine" somewhere else. "Discerning of spirits" was the magical ability to tell what was really good from concealed evil as god does, because we don't always have the answer. This was the bait for the advanced class. In hindsight lcm never sounded comfortable in his own mind. He may have had multiple "voices" going on, (this is what twi was like for many people, yes?) and chose vpw's as the "light" to clear it all up. Didn't work of course. Maybe his failure was in selecting which "voice". Just thinking.

That's an interesting idea to define the moment. "that voice" could be a number of things though. in twi we were always listening for that "still small voice". Your first thought is usually revelation and such. There's probably a host of explanations for what "that voice" or "voices" is.

I think they'll be protected more as the older generation gets replaced. The younger generations can live in the realm of myth and legend. That is, if it lasts at all.