Bolshevik

Because we are a prey animal. Our evolutionary ancestors had to fear snakes. It's genetic wiring. Our ancestors didn't know why snakes made such a great symbol, just that it did.

It does relate This thread asks "Why would an all power all knowing all loving etc. God not make a perfect Law?" In LOTR Eru Iluvatar, God, had all of his angels create music. Melkor (The Devil) tried to create rift in the music. Eru just smiled, somehow the disharmony fed back and eventually worked itself out. Which ....ed Melkor off even more. Even when he tried to destroy creation it worked out in favor of creation, in the long run. The Law was not above the rest of creation. One little disharmony. There's an importance to imperfection, isn't there?

Yeah, when read it I saw the mixing. You know? You know, like scream one second, silence the next, then scream, then silence. They had a term for that when leadership did that. In praise of that. After awhile it makes no difference. Tone of voice loses meaning. Everything sounds like a scream. Here they mix meaningless with modestly meaningful. You just, iron everything out to mean the same thing.

There's always a risk. Interesting rabbit hole though. I found your point about the Law very cool. Lucifer as I understand him, represents falling in love with your own creation. Your ideas perhaps. He didn't need infinity, God, he thought he had perfection and needed nothing else. You're saying Man was the next plan? (Tolkien had men as replacement for elves . . just see a parallel don't know if that matters)

No. Was that something? Often if you tell folks you're bored, they laugh and give you more work. The monotony of cult life, you know.

Raf has started threads to demonstrate logical fallacies.

https://www.amazon.com/Things-Kids-Victor-Paul-Wierwille/dp/1500951684/ref=la_B00J66J816_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1501261047&sr=1-2 I'd heard of Life Lines but not this. I love how the description jumps from the mundane to the super-spiritual to the mundane and back again.

"He was more moral than Yahweh" - Mrs. VPW, ultra-revised edition

Which does, happen, to everyone, which we all say is immoral. Therefore, He is. He is a Jealous God after all. Is it our Morality that makes us powerless to stop Him?

Maybe this is where God's willingness equals God's ability comes in. If he's able to make you suffer and destroy you, than he's willing to do so.

Of course the writer of the book, if they defined Yahweh as the source of Objective Morality, and as the reader, you subjectively feel, "hey that's not Moral" Why did the writer put that in? Why did they want that reaction? Is the conclusion and purpose of Old Testament therefore to hate Yahweh?

Maybe proving a negative. The opening post makes an assertion. Others have to prove "not i'm not" or agree. Or refrain from argument.

I saw this thread just now. Apparently a past form of you and I were discussing this. So I know my views are very different and I assume yours have changed some as well. It's already stated that animals have a form of morality. Do they Reason it out? Probably not. So I disagree with that last sentence. Not that we don't reason out morality. It's just not the SOURCE. You also refer to religion as invented by people. I disagree with that. VPW invented something. That's considered a cult. Religion (and God) comes from the same place as our morality, from what I can tell.

Hey Raf, Are there any of the OT laws you do like? Or are all of them, all bad?

The opening post does not define what morality is or where it really comes from. But implies it doesn't come from Yahweh as an objective source, whatever it is. The opening post asks for subjective reactions to hypothetical situations. How is that to be interpreted? Then makes a subjective response to a system of Law and refuses to consider context. Because, clearly, the undefined something is much better today than it used to be, therefore Yahweh's take on this undefined something must be of lower value. What else am I missing?

If God is all-powerful, can he create a rock even he can't lift? Frame a bad question, get . . . lots of stuff.

Ancient Mesopotamia used to kill folks for things we wouldn't today. This is not unique to Yahweh. Failure to follow the rules back then resulted in more tragedy of the population. Today if someone doesn't do their job, there's usually more backup systems in place. Not that there's more morality.

Right, Yahweh needs our saving. Send in the robots!!

This totally reminds me of I, Robot. Remember three robot laws? I believe it was used to show how rules ultimately conflict with each other. That's certainly one way to get minds in a twist. With The Law. Any sets of Laws, in relation to the real world, would show Law is not the full answer.

Do you know if The Law is meant for the Group (Israel), or at the individual level, or both? Laws are usually meant to help a group function . . . just curious.

Are some of the things I've learned on GSC mere opinion and complete BS? Probably. Does it matter? No. The overall picture generated works. The overall picture, with possible errors, explains more of what happened than the alternative. When the Bible doesn't fit it's because something's wrong with your thinking and that's the only possibility? If you accept that thinking, it's your own decision that allows TWI to manipulate you.