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I refuse to believe VPW was that convincing. There's no evidence. I heard the tapes. GSC is here to make him a god. Your crew seems to still feed the golden calf. GSC is no different than putting a billboard on the roadside. It's there. It's asking for attention. It blocks the view. What should have been handled in smaller bits was broadcasted all willy nilly. Everything has a price. I figure 1 jerk = 1 month? JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERKJERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERk JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERk JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERk JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK JERK

See . . . she even addressed you! lol Wierwillle said ---> Feelings Wierwille said ---> Feelings Wierwille said ---> Feelings There's a clear attachment to Wierwille. Most people would have just ignored him. I've heard about this my entire life. I don't know what anyone saw in him. But there was clearly an attachment.

When I read the writers text, reposted several times . . . - . . . ohh are you gaslighting again?

No, I said at some point those who've been gaslit need to take responsibility. I keep pointing at the fact that gaslighting requires more factors to be present than simply a "predator" and a "victim". Something is drawing the "victim" in. The "predator" doesn't even need to understand what that is. But it seems the narrative that VPW had superpowers, maybe he did indeed take down the USSR.

See, my parents and their countless friends in The Way are the victims. For me to say they are all responsible for say, swinging a spoon for no reason, would make me a vicitm-blamer. See the problem?

No I remember that. VPW is sometimes thought of as an NPD, NPDs are stunted in development, like a six year old, or younger. Absolutely the mother-child dynamic comes into play here. She did sound helpless. Why is that not an accurate description? I was being honest.

I hear you saying The Way International is my fault.

gaslighting is subjective. The other person doesn't literally hold your sanity. I think a word missing earlier was subjective. If you feel they hold your sanity, why is that? That looks like power given freely to another. emotions are also subjective. followed by a physiological response. followed by a behavior

I don't recall personally attacking her life on this thread. I'm pointing at a pattern of behavior among many people, which she highlighted well. I brought posts back to show you. You are appearing to be creating a diversion. Using "empathy" as means to shut down thinking. And PS. I hate The Way International more than you are capable of.

If you want empathy, yes those feelings suck. I gave my own example. But what happens going forward is what matters more. They psyched themselves out of acting to their own benefit.

Bringing this back too. CLE is not listening to herself at this time.

Bringing this back. I thought waysider made a good description. I don't think this experience is unique to cults. It is a situation telling the person something needs to change.

I'm repeating what I read on GSC.

The Way, this cult The Way International. Mostly targeted young adults. Young adults make stupid decisions. Who then turned themselves into animals. Why get butt hurt trying to pull out the leverage? Young adults had some defense. Most do not. Further, The Way east and Way West was hijacked. Crap defense. That key

I posted about another cult, Chockful. They target emotions. Re-socializing young children.

I think you're derailing. The author brought of feelings feelings feelings. Trying to get under that.

I understand what good are these stories if they can't be employed against the next cult.

Am I to understand some things can never be questioned? Wasn't Mein Kampf a plea to the emotions?

A plea for empathy and vulnerability is a strategy of cults. Yes?

What is the correct answer you would like to hear from me?

As I said, empathy is a weapon. Used by cults. I have burned bridges. It left me completey isolated, homeless, broke, etc. I still have family in TWI. I don't understand what you think I don't understand.

I've felt that in TWI. I've felt that in another circumstance. Of course with TWI I didn't exactly burn bridges . . . BUT . . . cutting the cord is supposed to be painful. Usually I remember I would freeze up, just stand there. Was late teens/early 20s a lot. Then the group would bring someone like the Limb Leader for a scream fest. Followed by I would go through the motions for awhile longer.

LCM used to argue "everyone NEEDS to believe something" . . . it was a threat . . . coercing a decision Same with sense of belonging . . . it is used to encourage people to make a decision to emotionally attach to something they probably should not . . . everyone needs to belong . . . you feel it don't you? . . . well you belong here . . . and we will help you feel the feely feels the way other places do not. . . . Now here's some more vocabulary for our little love language for your brain

Correct. It's also a blatant lie. Authority is handed over to the liar. The name of this website says the liar still holds it. P, P-FAL

The P in PFAL stands for power. The person least invested holds the power.