RainbowsGirl

Thank You "Rule Makers"!!! These seem more than fair to me!

Congratulations Mr. (((((Ham)))))!!! I wish You much success as You move ever closer to meeting Your goals!!! With Love, RainbowsGirl

Thanks ((((Ham))))

Is This Really the Grandson of VPW??? Does He match up with any of VPW's children's children??? I looked at all the picture and did not recognize anyone...............I was never a follower of His personal family history, or marriages, or whom begat who! Does anyone Know the Family lineage??? I cannot believe the gaul...I thought he was a phony copy cat...spoofing TWI!

http://www.johnemackinstitute.org/center/c...news.asp?id=223 Is this it? or <a href="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...endID=296866135" target="_blank">http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...endID=296866135</a> or http://www.cfamw.org/id23.html

Am I the only one who thinks that this just has to be some kind of hoax??? His Family name is far to tarnished to draw on!!! Could He be thinking that He will rectify the mistakes made by His Grandfather in TWI going out on His own...Righting the unrightable wrongs???

What is a Victim??? What are Victimizers??? From encarta Dictionary - Victim: 1. Somebody hurt or killed somebody who is hurt or killed by somebody or something, especially in a crime, accident, or disaster 2. Somebody or something harmed somebody who or something that is adversely affected by an action or circumstance • a victim of her own success 3.Somebody Duped somebody who is tricked or exploited 4. Living being used for sacrifice. a live human or animal used as a sacrifice or in a religious rite 5. Helpless person somebody who experiences misfortune and feels helpless to remedy it. From Encarta Dictionary - Victimize and Victimizer: 1. Treat unfairly to single somebody out unfairly for punishment or ill treatment 2. Make into a victim to cause somebody to become a victim It is MHO that All without exception were victims of the victimizers of TWI, including the victimizers themselves by the above definitions. I only include the victimizers as being victims also as I believe that some cause and effect situation lead up to their choosing to victimize their victims so ruthlessly and unscrupulously. They had to have deviated to some sociopathic or psychopathic state to cruelly,unmercifully, deceitfully and without restraint of moral or ethical principles deviously victimize all in their trust as shepherds and overseers of GOD's flock! The Following quote is from The Evan in Abi's, "Losing the Way Kristine Skegell Thread"...and I have never heard it put so well and IMHO indisputably correctly so! "Keith, I think the short answer is that deviant sexual predators have an uncanny 'nose' for the vulnerable, those whose fences aren't solidly in place. People that have been abused simply don't have the equipment to escape on their own and the abuser senses this. It's heartbreaking to think that the most fragile...those on need of gentlest treatment, instead got carefully set up and abused in the most callous manner." The Evan!!!!!! I applaud You for your astounding wisdom and insight Sometimes when I read threads and posts here I feel as though what being a victim and a victimizer are perhaps not clarified enough in detail; They are sometimes seen too collectively or not subjectively enough to show real individual regard and respect to the type or types of abuse individually testified to by the victims here. Just reading over the definitions here will to most corroborate their, the victims testimonies. I am not GOD the judge so if anyone pours their heart out here for help or healing I will listen and help if I can and not worry if it is true or not; as NOW they want or need help and love! In the end if they are Bearing False Wittiness against another they and GOD know it They can read what GOD says against Bearing False Wittiness in His Word and decide what to do about it on their own. I am not, nor am I qualified, nor meant to be their accuser or their judge. Any Accusations without proof; whether seeking truth or not may also fall under Bearing False Wittiness against thy neighbor. It is a charge I don't want to be on either end of! All the different forms of abuse and victimization of the TWI victimizers were distinctive with distinctive, strategies and consequences. Whether it was, mental and verbal ( example insults, threats,twisting the truth to control and manipulate. isolate, shun by marking and avoiding), physical (examples: sexual abuses, child abuses, health and personal safety related needs), spiritual(example polluting and privately interpreting GOD's Word, so confusing and harming the student as to lead him astray from or entirely away from GOD by deceitfully using GOD's word against individuals with a designated purpose of protecting the victimized regime, doctrines and ideologies) I cannot pass judgment upon the real damage or horrendous effects of the victims. I can only hear them out and comfort or help them The victimizations cannot all be seen or heard!!! We may not ever understand fully here just how encasing or deep they truly run!!! Everyone feels pain differently and all the victims have had life altering changes due to their victimizations! Some victims were multiply abused or harmed in various combinations of abuse. Somewill never testify of their abuse due to shame or retributions or other factors that keep them bounds up tightly guarded secrets! [Whatever the reasons, NO One Deserves to be ABUSED or to be REABUSED when they testify Who qualifies from GOD's view point...or from Man's viewpoint.????...as victims and victimizers From GOD's viewpoint for me this qualifies as to GOD's view of Victimizers: Pro 6:12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth. Pro 6:13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; Pro 6:14 Frowardness [is] in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Pro 6:15 Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy. Pro 6:16 These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, Pro 6:19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. From Man's viewpoint victims are: The testimonies from the people here at Grease Spot in accordance with the encarta definitions Which is Your view of victims and victimizers and what is it based on?????!

Oh Dear (((Nick)))), You are so amazingly strong and brave!!! I am so glad you stayed with You child and protected her!!! I am sorry You were hurt You can teach us here anytime any one of Your Teachings!!! and are on me today! With Love, RainbowsGirl

Steveo Very Nice to meet You, Enjoy your stay!!! Everyone here is ready to help you find what you need or are looking for! My treat or perhaps With Love, RainbowsGirls

(((Musicalee)))), I am glad You were well protected by GOD and Your Parent, and was still able to enjoyed some good memories and some great music along the way. Everyone one here would be glad to help you find anything that You need to find or want to discuss.!!! Have a Great Time!!! What is Your pleasure..... or My treat!!! With Love RainbowsGirl

IMHO There is well over 6.5 billion people in the world. All of them have some belief systems. Some practice them. Some do not; Same merely claim their title I don't really think that in this pluralistic world that unadulterated non denominational Bible based Christianity is in the majority and perhaps never was.

QUOTE I wish that you had said something more definite; I really would like to understand I didn't give anything definite because it isn't definite. I doubt most believers can be specific and detailed about what convinced them. okay! QUOTE Supreme is Supreme as in GOD. If we are all equal to GOD there is no supremacy; therefore we are equal to GOD and one another. But I didn't say we are equal to [the biblical] God, I just expressed a lack of belief in him. Sorry Oakspear, I misunderstood that, I still am not sure what you believe or don't believe QUOTE All non Christian doctrines include all other doctrines are vastly more in comparison of numbers I'm sorry, I don't understand wghat you're saying here, could you please reword it? All non Christian doctrines including all the many other varied and diverse doctrines are vastly more numerous in comparison to the numbers of participants in Christianity IMHO. A doctrine being a belief system! Clearer I hope??? QUOTE but most probably just eternally dead as most doctrines that exclude GOD also exclude external Life...from what little I know Really? can you give I cannot give a fair or accurate account of all the different doctrines and their beliefs on Eternal Life...it was a poor estimation..most likely???

Bramble You said: "As far as I can tell there have been three or four non Christians posting on this thread--myself, Oak spear, and Abby for sure. I don't think any of us have treated the Christians on this thread poorly--we have not agreed with you, but not been rude or claimed your afterlife was at issue. Are you tolerant? Probably. Is your chosen faith membership as tolerant as you? Maybe not." Ignorance and fear breed intolerance and persecution. Yet when we take the time and with our hearts read each others posts or interact on any other avenue of life that we meet and thoughtfully and thoroughly communicate; and then maybe walk a mile in each others shoes we begin to build a little trust and a little understanding. Intolerance and persecution is far more encompassing than merely of our belief systems. We are all guilty of intolerances and judgmental pronouncements in all facets of life. Out of the fears and anxieties we inflict on each other, come the walls we build; our fortresses. Bridges would be better, but will they ever be practical??? Trust is a very limited commodity that we can ill afford to liberally hand out. I truly don't think that I am delude as a Christian , but if it were so in the end I still find GOD and Christ the most stellar examples of how to be. I don't measure up but I won't ever stop trying to. Please understand true conviction is not synonymous intolerance. I may not believe what You believe..but I don't study Christianity to prepare to attack You. I don't examine too much what you believe either to debate it with You...not so much that I don't care what You think, but like You I have chosen. If I did know you personally I would study what you believe and discuss it with You; if we were able to fairly hear each other out

Dear Oakspear, Many non Christians have converted to Christianity and vice versa. A good example might be C. S Lewis. In one interview I heard that he after much research and investigation; but not that alone in itself, but rather on a motor bike ride to a picnic with His brother stated that He knew that Christianity fit together and made sense in a way that He could not find mere words for.! Yes well that is C. S. Lewis' in parts conversion to Christianity from atheism. From what You said: "I can't speak for others, but I am only irritated by those who feel it is necessary to inform me that their opinion is that I am eternally damned. I see no convincing (to me) evidence that any divine being has judged me, so I have no problem with any hypothetical biblical god. After all, he hasn't personally told me anything, so I have no argument with him." What would be convincing evidence to You would convince you??? What would GOD have to say that would convince You! I don't say this accusely per say, but doesn't not believing in GOD make you in a sense Your own god with your own doctrine/doctrines, by thinking of Him as your equal or just another god...sheerly, because You deny Him and His doctrine? I would like to understand more directly than the parable of the Sower and the Seed...I have no agenda or mal-intent toward You or anyone else and I am not trying to convert You; but it is a puzzle to me that so many former Christians under TWI have gone off in so many different tangents, seeking the diverse doctrines available. I know that TWI somewhat gave GOD a black eye in their corrupt ways and practices, but still I see TWI as TWI; and GOD as GOD; and further that most likely every former member became born again or saved, how ever you may view it. Isn't it most likely, that You will be somewhat surprised then to meet me in the sky??? When I was a TL a few gay women came to our fellowship...they came and they liked coming. Needless, to say LCM. was not president yet and one of them had decided convinced of the Bible and her free will choice to return to being straight once again. The one who was trying to convince her to stay Gay...swore to me that she was absolutely not going to spend eternity with GOD; if she could not continue being gay...I am using this as an example, because I wonder what will non Christians that are possibly born again say or do if their new doctrines don't hold up to GOD's or my Christianity beliefs What are Your thoughts??? Any One else as well???

Dear ((((Oakspear))))), I am not that famiilar with your beliefs and I am wondering what you believe happens to You body, soul and spirit after you die. Then this question comes to my mind; If you do not believe in GOD or if any Non Christian does not believe in GOD, why are they? or You? feeling attacked or persecuted or irrated by GOD's judgement according to the bible itself(not denomination)?

Medic's Wife!!! May Your Special Day be filled with the Love of Your Family and Friends! With Love, RainbowsGirl

Thank You ((((Dot))))), I see a lot of different things in this and I believe it to be fragments of my own story and the stories here that I have read. I don't agree with everything at this site either.....but it would be impossible not to relate to this posters excruciating pain and Her search for healing and recovery and relief!!! This really spoke to my heart, it is so well put, it is what The Evan said on... Abi's "Losing The Way" Kristen Skedgell Thread: Aug 30 2008, 06:33 AM Post #70 The Evan: quote " Keith, I think the short answer is that deviant sexual predators have an uncanny 'nose' for the vulnerable, those whose fences aren't solidly in place. People that have been abused simply don't have the equipment to escape on their own and the abuser senses this. It's heartbreaking to think that the most fragile...those on need of gentlest treatment, instead got carefully set up and abused in the most callous manner." Rainbows Girl - This IMHO seems to be the irrefutable answer to the question of "Why did YOU allow this this happen to You" (edited to add this} The Evan's continued qoute: "I loved the book. I, too, was able to identify a great many characters in the drama. I had lots of red flags about Der Veg but kept getting stopped by thinking similar to what Kris expressed. And I wasn't being abused. Abuse submerges you in a unique 'fog' that makes clear thinking nigh impossible."

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Tolerant or Intolerant, that is the question concerning Christianity, but not only Christianity. I think we are all a bit of both of these toward one another at various times and for a multiplicity of rhymes and reasons whether they are sound or unsound, founded or unfounded, religious or political. Many posters to this thread have indicated they have made their Belief choices; either long term or temporarily and wish to have them respected. (and I do)!!! There is nothing unusual or unexpected in that! When reading this thread so much was covered that the only thing I wish to add is that as a Christan, I hope that my next statements will be tolerated and understood in the Love I wish to present them!!! Most of You know and understand Christianity in it's original purest unadulterated form; which IMHO, is The Bible, excluding denominational doctrines and practices. Everything in the Bible screams loudly and clearly Love, Preach, Teach, Help, Save,... on and on... to those whom GOD knew would believe Him; and would want to see, to hear, and to understand all that there is to see, to hear and to understand about Him!!! He is our Alpha and Omega, the author and finisher of ALL! Myself as a Christian, I can honestly say that it is Very Difficult for me, particularly, to accept that if ANY one's choice is not the GOD of the Bible, in it's purest and most unadulterated form; free of denominational isms, that the justice and judgment of GOD will come upon You as stated in the Bible. That is Heartbreaking to me. I respectfully, can only hope that IF (THE BIG IF) You are as wrong in weighing Your finally outcome as I respectfully believe You are; that at one precious moment in Your lives You were born again, so that I will see You in the sky and for all eternity! Out of Love I wish this for You All. I am Christan out of Love, Reverence and Respect of and for GOD, personally as my Father! I have seen His hand indisputably throughout my entire life, not as often as it has been there and mostly in retrospect have I known it. He is Real to me in every biblical aspect. If I got what I truly deserved for all my sins and stone cold seriously no eternal life; I am still glad to have walked with Him; or more accurately to have known that He walked with me here on earth. That He Loved me enough to be there every milosec!!! He saved my life so many times and in so many ways. He made all the simplest of things in life the most beautiful and priceless treasures. He taught me how to love beyond my own self. He gave me a reason and a purpose to live, because on my own looking at this world I could never really find a worthy enough one. Maybe I have just seen way too much of the ugly cruelties and evils of this world. They are the things I can tolerate the very least of all!!! He answered my biggest questions of all. How can there be so many GODs, so many doctrines, so much confusion that everything and anything is acceptable or on it's way to being acceptable??? The thing that I am truly afraid of is that in this pluralistic world if anything and everything is acceptable...What is truly valuable??? Can You understand that a Christian is as tolerant as GOD is, as tolerant as His Word is and as tolerant as Jesus Christ is??? Edited to make grammatical corrections

Great Belle, Thank You!!! I hope I get to go!!! That sounds like the concert flashback to absorb yourself into!!! edited to add: aaahhhhhhhh I checked all the dates, It won't be comimg to my area!!! Oh well, I will set up a mini "Woodstock" in my own home!!!