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Not a one liner, but too amusing to resist: The customs of an Irishman An Irishman walks into a bar in Dublin, orders three pints of Guinness and sits in the back of the room, drinking a sip out of each one in turn. When he finishes them, he comes back to the bar and orders three more. The bartender asks him, "You know, a pint goes flat after I draw it; it would taste better if you bought one at a time." The Irishman replies, "Well, you see, I have two brothers. One is in America, the other in Australia, and I'm here in Dublin. When we all left home, we promised that we'd drink this way to remember the days when we drank together." The bartender admits that this is a nice custom, and leaves it there. The Irishman becomes a regular in the bar, and always drinks the same way: ordering three pints and drinking them in turn. One day, he comes in and orders two pints. All the other regulars notice and fall silent. When he comes back to the bar for the second round, the bartender says, "I don't want to intrude on your grief, but I wanted to offer my condolences on your great loss." The Irishman looks confused for a moment, then a light dawns in his eye and he laughs. "Oh, no," he says, "Everyone's fine. I've just quit drinking."

I will never understand the mind or heart of a child or adult sexual molester. Yes, I know, even as I say this, that it is a cycle of a particular abuse system; but how can they look into the innocent screaming eyes of a precious child and damage them like that. knowing full well; that if it had been done to them, just what it did and STILL not stop themselves.?????

Yeah Right blame it on the disease of "Way Brain"!!! The cure for Way brain causing any molestation should be castration IMHO along with GODly justice!!!

Thanks Sky, I see you had the time up there sorry! My multitasking skills are slipping down the proverbially hill along the weaning of the rest of my skills!!! There must be something good about growing old...I just haven't discovered it yet!!! I will be watching with You. It should be very interesting!!!

Thanks((((Sky)))), Do You know the time???? Or the Name of the Piece???

Ham, What a screeching horrendous waste of money!!!!!

Chas, I don't think there will be even a coup to overthrow Rosilie for not following the due course of presidential retirement... NOT Ever!!!. She will remain in office, I think, until she dies! Either: It has been decided that they will make no huge waves and all retire quietly one by one unto they all die off. I think that it will be difficult to keep things in tact...status quo as they age more and more, even as an empty wasted hull! Who will they raise up to continue in their stead??? Who knowingly could want the job??? or: She holds all the keys to TWI's secrets. IMHO I think that there are many more deeply guarded secrets in her "lock box" that could swiftly, if loosed in no uncertain terms, bring TWI and some of it's elite crashing down to complete oblivion. Legally can they keep the property as long as they function as VPW set it up...willed it or whatever??? I am still in some ways surprised that no Weirwille Family member cannot find a legal way to gain the land back. Perhaps, They don't even want it. VPW early on, taught that we had to spiritually clean out our houses. TWI HQ's is a big house to clean... so to speak. Myself, I could never go back there...All my good memories are too skewed to ever want to go back there; It's tragic. All I would think of would be the egregious abuses committed there. The coach given to VPW for a godly purpose...used to abuse and traumatize girls too young or to weak to escape the treachery and trickery leveled at them. Not least of all there is the black eye they gave GOD and His Word, in the minds and hearts of many of GOD's people and the world by their misdeeds, and their plagiarism, slanting and twisting of His Word.

http://vids.eonline.com/services/link/bcpi...bctid1805534554 Nato's link still works

((((Jeff))))) Impugning and maligning Your good name and setting you up to further their gain of power, and control of the splinter group members is purely evil. Disguised by teaching and condoning to all, that isolation and banishment are acceptable methods; instead of a very cruel and ruthless forms of torture and punishment that they in fact are. They worse than figurative killed You; They promote evil as a resourceful means to obtain a goal; making it appear normal, just and acceptable; further blinding and entrapping their members. To a great degree, I feel that they the members should be able to see through at least some of these types of tactics, but GOD only knows the whys and the why nots!!! I truly don't mean this as a judgement on them. I am hoping that they wake up soon!!! I am sorry for the losses You have suffered Jeff so bravely and glad that You are here to help and to heal!!! I will be praying for You and the other members of this group and all cults!!!

This is very well stated Jeff and even though we carried with us many wounds and scars we learned valuable lessons as well; Some we didn't need or want and some that will serve us well to know. Some of these were: 1. We learned For sure, how NOT to behave toward GOD or mankind; along with a very long list of NOT to do's! 2. We learned how to survive, and to heal and to help others to as well. 3. We learned to use greater wisdom and to know that if your questions and concerns are being avoided diminished or dismissed; that GOD probably was summarily dismissed too along with them and You. 4. We learned Enough Bible to know GOD and to know that He was not first in the grand scheme of it all; and that they left Jesus Christ out almost entirely. 5. We learned that they did not live up to their promises... an example would be: instead of signs wonders and miracles from a leadership level we received all manner of threats abuses and condemnations; and even eventually the blame for all that lacked in the fulfillment of promises made. 6.We learned that when the practical of GOD's Word isn't there the doctrinal is an empty front, disguising something sinister underneath it. 7. We learned that when people You loved early on grow cold, calloused and cruel with deeper commitments and involvement, something is gravely wrong. 8 We learned that with the recognition of evil, that it is our responsibility to expose it for what it is, so that all are warned and may avoid it and recover from it. 9.We learned not to expose evil and wrong in a boastful manner for by the grace of GOD go I. That if the tempter whispered in our ears in like or some other manner we may have been enticed to it all of or been part this evil. 10. We learned this:Jam 1:12 ¶ Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Jam 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Jam 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. 11. We Learned that there will be absolute repercussion and definite pay back for crossing, being at odds with or opposing or questioning a leader or anyone else with an inferiority complex, disguised as a superior being at least in their own mind...That the consequences were usually banning, marking and avoiding and permanent isolation. 12. We learned that these tactics and stategies are an abomination to GOD and He will absolutely avenge every evil work.

Qakspear: What an astute observation!!! "The best laid plans of mice and men go astray when consumed in their own lusts and ways. They not only put GOD second, but sometimes last and eventually at times He was not at all involved in their ministry. IMHO they started out with pure or at least good intentions and were dissuaded by power, greed and sexual perversions. All things that they very early on claimed were the most devilish and destructive of corruptions against GOD! They were deceived within their own doctrinal boundaries by the of treachery and trickery that they initially expounded to be evil and corrupt. I think this was due to their arrogance and pride; too blind or unwilling to restrain themselves or to ever admit their errors or faults! If You don't or won't admit you are wrong, How can you really change or grow.

1.What things do You wonder about in GOD's plan, design, creation/creations? 2.What do You Wonder about living here in this world??? 3.What puzzles You or what pieces have You put together??? The thoughts and wonderings I have are from a Christan and godly standpoint and my thoughts recently were stirred up concerning God's designs for Mankind, and Animals. Here is one of my many wonderments: I just read WhiteDoves new Thread "What a Friend" and was responding to it. Of course the more I wrote the more I saw that I was going off topic in His Thread so I am starting this one as not to dismantle His. Please do read His; It with tear at Your heartstrings and make you think; and make You cry!!! The story of Mickey and Percy brought a lot of thoughts to my mind and heart What a touching and tenderhearted testimonial to the bonds and depths of true friendship and undying love!!! A great example of real love, friendship and loyalty that sadly seems in such depth, much rarer in the human- kind sector of this world. Where in, ties aren't woven tightly and bonds unravel quickly with very little provocation!!! The World is waxing worse and worse in all realms: Isa 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. 2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. I remember being taught in TWI...not really taught...just told that animal soul life was not eternal...Perhaps that is true.??? Perhaps it is not??? I was never provided scriptural evidence. If anyone has any please enlighten me! Perhaps they never lost or always have had a spiritual connection to GOD?! This is my wonderment in part. I hope that GOD gave them a way into eternity as well as we have; as there are several loving pets I would again like to see and many renowned animals I would be tremendously overjoyed and grateful to spend eternity with; like Mickey and Percy, and Christian the lion to name but a few!!! Their presences provides/provided soothing comfort and serenity now on earth!!! In Eternity too would be nice and maybe possible??? It is not that I don't see or understand that GOD so richly and graciously gave us this world and everything in it to bless, help and provide for all our needs, out of His Great and Particular Love for us most especially. Yet, Perhaps animals were designed to be more than faithful companions and meet our other needs. Since we have such a limited view and scope of GOD's thoughts, ways and total plans...I guess that we can hope a lot while we seek our answers and mysterries; and wait many of them out! Who among us has not learned from the love, loyalty and example of an animal, a lessen or two!? Who among us has not seen an animal cruelly abused; crawling back to it's abuser seeking mercy, forgiveness and love!? Seems to parallel in ways man's similar state with GOD ironically, doesn't it??? Although, not all aspects and responses are similar. Our domestic animals and pets often trust more easily than we do. They often forgive and show mercy more easily than we do. IMHO, GOD must have put that in their DNA or their souls...whereever???, to bless and remind us to be kind and to be loving and compassionate. To be convicted to refrain from abusing weaker and more vulnerable beings! Don't they seem such an example of GOD's own heart to us??? Many of them would lay down their lives down to protect us from harm; as Christ did, but on a much completer scale, and in a far more thorough way! Yes...we are superior, but perhaps, not in all the ways, and to all the degrees that we sometimes claim to be!!!

Dear ((((WhiteDove)))) Thank YOU!!! This breaks my heart and I cried so much it was hard to see to type and took me even longer than it normally does to edit, but was well worth reading it true brought up some thoughts and realizations to consider about GOD's designs in creation of different species! I am sure You will appreciate that I start a thread concerning my thoughts rather than disrupt Your thread. What a touching and tenderhearted testimonial to the bonds and depths of true friendship and undying love!!! A great example of real love, friendship and loyalty that sadly seems in such depth, much rarer in the human- kind sector of this world. Where in, ties aren't woven tightly and bonds unravel quickly with very little provocation!!! The World is waxing worse and worse in all realms: Isa 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. 2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

You are welcome (((((Now I See)))))) All the recipes sound great and the tips are very helpful too!!!

It was a detrimental reference to another poster...whom I even know whom it referred too and why it was made! Linda Z and WhiteDove and The Mods, Thank You for standing up and asking for fairness and detecting underlying digs and cuts!!! Those tactics remind me of TWI's tactics and methods...sadly a form of verbal abuse and victimization usually followed by a nice trip to isolation by Marking and avoiding; because they only wanted to be afforded the same opportunity to stand up for what they believe!!!!

geisha779 It seems to stem from a cold or wounded heart or maybe even a spiritually blinded heart. It is very difficult to understand being past feeling; and seeking to arouse and reawaken your own feelings by victimizing and wounding someone else. It is all Very selfish and self centered and devilish imho Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. Green Hornet Very astute comments Green Hornet they are victims of their own lusts, greediness and selfish egotistical ways; Maliciously, going about wounding and racking and ruining lives at their own will and pleasure. Very warped!!! "Is Forgiveness going to effect VPW or LCM no it helps to release the victim themselves" Your right!!! Only GOD knows what His absolute justice pronouncements will be on VPW or LCM; but one thing we do know about GOD is that everything He does is perfect and is perfectly done. We could never exact justice in any manner that covers all aspects of any one man's lifetime to match GOD's ability to do so. I would hate to be them or anyone who knowingly abuses people in any manner. We think of revenges that people deserve, but GOD when he is finished letting it be "man's day", will make our conceived revenges look probably kind in comparision!!! excathedra i haven't read all the defs. but i think a true victimizer is someone who intentionally hurts someone, victimizes someone VPW's and LCM's actions were very intentional and very premeditated like, if you told that vic you didn't want to go that way, and he ignored you and of course used the bible to justify the vic timization It sure would have been better for them to have faced legal earthly justice here than to go unrepentantly before GOD. because even if they have/had asked GOD for forgiveness before they die/died through they continued on in their actions for years there will be consequences for continuing on repeatitively...having a reprobate mind....comes to my mind. What is the scripture that applies to asking forgiveness and not really changing?????? i also think victims can be young and damaged which helps them to become victims Yes and GOD considers that even more evil and treacherous...to wound the wounded or infirmed and hopefully one day they'll grow up to be a survivor (((((Excie)))), You and Me and All at GRSC and the other Survivors of TWI, We will help them!!!

Ala, To get there go to the bottom right hand side as You face your pc -- of the your topics page of this forum. then where you see Forum Home with GO after it. Press it and it takes You to the General forumPage...scroll down to the bottom. it is just under the Soap Opera Returns Forum. It reads "delete cokies set by this board" to delete your history and internet cookies go to Your browser home page...under tools on the right uppper top corner as you face your PC is tools...open it and click on interret options...under that when it opens you will find browsing history and delete temporary internet cookies option to delete them it will help as well as deleting them in GRSC

For Café visitors that were raised in TWI. Please indulge me in this. I raised a son in TWI from 1976 until when we were "Marked and Avoided" in about 1999. He cannot write or speak for Himself; but I think that His life, How he lives it and His heart speak well of both the right on and right off things I taught Him and that he endured in TWI. Since I am responsible for what I taught Him, I wish to address this in His behalf and in His stead From the Way International website, April 2008: "Our Powerful Examples of Young People in the Word "In the Bible, a young person is referred to as a youth until he reaches 30 years of age. To walk in truth and to stand for God, young people need pure hearted love for Him, for His Word, and for others, which they learn from the example and training of their parents. They also need the self-discipline to carry out the Word, which is built by the training of their parents and then lovingly adopted by the child’s free will. Each individual grows up with freedom of will and becomes accountable to God for his own life. " In essence there is nothing untrue with this statement. It is how it is carried out or was carried out. The purpose of controlling a person skews the true intent of GOD's Word and Will. If You twist it to serve Your own intents and purposes to control people by breeding fear in them; they with teach it to others and in the training up of their children breed fear. Raised in or up in fear as we all were to some degree or another makes it is difficult to trust GOD or want to be accountable to Him. One things that I did wrong that effected and affected my son if He could tell You is: I chastened him to harshly and to often and sometimes not in accordance with GOD's Word but in accordance with my leaderships interpretations of it. example: He would not sit perfectly still and quietly in fellowship. He did very very well most of the time as He loves and respects GOD The music is His way of knowing GOD and the teachings are somewhat over his head so to speak. My Twig leader asked me to take him out and put Him in the car down stairs and to return to fellowship; that we would believe GOD to protect Him. There alone in the dark locked into the car were GOD and Josh and most likely all His guardian angels; as GOD protects us even when we do stupid foolish acts that we are taught to do, when we don't know any better. I am sure that P@tty asked this of me out of the same foolish teachings and lack of proper understanding. It is not right to tempt GOD to see if He will work instead of using the love, the care and the wisdom that GOD's Word teaches. I couldn't wait to get down there to my son. I had asked GOD to protect Him and I had taught Him to never open the doors to anyone. Yet I knew that He was both vulnerable and susceptible and easily enticed. I was trying to honor this chastening goal of P@tty's for him to behave more appropriately in fellowship or wait in the pitch blackness of night down stairs in the car. GOD did protect my son and they both have forgiven me. The real lessen I learned from this came through GOD's chastening. It was to know myself, GOD's Word more completely and His intent and purposes of training and discipline. Never to merely apply any principle of His Word outside of Love, wisdom and knowledge or His Will!!! Absolutely, to never tempt GOD by placing a vulnerable child or anyone in harms way. We paid a high price and it could have been heartbreakingly higher blindly following the twisting of some of the scriptures and principals expected of us in TWI. I thank GOD that He saved us. My son still Loves, honors and respects GOD!!! He is a very uncomplicated and loving person. He understands God and His Love through godly music and the giving and receiving of Love. I cannot possible tell You what a treasure He is to know and learn from!!! Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. The Gospels are loaded with examples of how Jesus taught and trained up His disciple and the rest of the new testament is heavily concerned with how we are to walk as children of GOD and act in our own families and His family. The Word of GOD states specifically what we are to do and what we are not to do in training up our children and new members in the word. We are to keep them safe with care and watchfulness. Not causing them to stumble or to be put into any position to stumble or to be made vulnerable to harm.

Thank you ((((White Dove))))), I needed to be reminded to reflect the highest degree of my attention and focus on the people who truly matter the very most in my life; My two Families; both earthly and Heavenly. To pause often, to remember that every cause both small and great is something to be weighed and considered well. Are We not taught the greatest lessens in the most down to earth simplest, and purest of ways??? That purity of ways chastens and cleanses us. With it our aim's and our prospectives's untangle and become less complicated and more selfless. Not only do I seek a true relationship with and a true understanding of GOD in my life with all my heart, mind and strength, but I seek that brand new feeling I get when He chastens me and cleanses me with his Love and His Word. How many times have we all thought or said: " Oh but to be brand new again" Fresh and clean as a new borne babe. When I was a child, due to my childish ways I used to fear being chastened reproved or corrected. I was a rebel; and a righteous one in my own eyes. Humbling myself or submitting might make me weak and vulnerable. I never relied on anyone else's strength; they might pull the rug out from under me and fail me. I was so scared of those potential possibilities, I could never really let my guard down or anyone truly into my life. Well, the only wise GOD knew that and out of His perfect Love carefully and precisely, at exactly all the right times and in the very simplest of ways; so that I could see them, showed me His absolute strength and power. Saving me when I didn't deserve or appreciate it. I wasn't ever capable of absolute power and authority over anyone including myself. I lack the amount of Love, Wisdom and Knowledge to ever make it all on my own. I may not be the brightest star in the sky, but I am glad to no longer be that rebellious child whose actions were fearfully and selfishly based. I really couldn't do anything in my life alone without GOD. I would have never made it past five years old; if that, without GOD!!! Defiant against authority, fighting to overthrow and revolt against true power and authority at best is absolutely foolish,...even Satan understands that. The Love of GOD constrained me, not fear of His power or justice. I was already worthy of His justice; but He Gave me His Love, His Care, and His watchful protection instead of what a rebel deserves or should get. Usually rebels do themselves in by their very own nature and actions, I am glad that He rescued and rescues me from all things earthly. Seek what is true, real and important and never fear your mistakes or being corrected; GOD alone, through His Love and gifts to us makes us brand new, clean again!!! If GOD is for us who can be against us??? No one!!! So right back at You GOD; I am ALL for You!!! All of Romans chapter 8 speaks to the rebel in my soul! Now when I feel rebellious I redirect it; toward being a rebel for GOD...not against Him! That truly makes me strong, invincible and protected. What that professor taught White Dove, was so right on and clear! GOD is my Father and You are my Family my first and utmost primary focus and concern!!! Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God. Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us? Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [it is] God that justifieth. Rom 8:34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [it is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Thank you GOD for chastening me and teaching me that it is a good and needed process!!! Pro 19:18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. Deu 8:5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, [so] the LORD thy God chasteneth thee. Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Hbr 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. The Serenity Prayer God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time; Enjoying one moment at a time; Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; Taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it; Trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to His Will; That I may be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with Him Forever in the next. Amen. --Reinhold Niebuhr Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will direct your paths. Proverbs 3, 5-6

Dear (((Ala))), I am quoting this from Paw"n the front page of the forum at the bottom there is a place to click that will delete all cookies from this site. Try doing that. Then log off and then back on" Clear Your history and cookies help a lot! Love, RG

Happy Independence Day ((((Cheranne))))!!!, I love Your Independence Day music too!!! Did You ever go to the festival or live in Mexico??? Celebrate Well, RainbowsGirl

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