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Dear ((((Dan))))! I haven't been here since last November so it was not my thread, but it is a topic of interest to me! Thanks (((Wdsandwks)))! I am sure many will find this to be a great topic! For the record: It is MHO that Women are an equal benefit to the church along with any of the men, if they are being held to the same standards and conducting themselves in the same manner as is expected of any of the males. Their opportunities, offices, pay, benefits, and service should be equal! Act 10:34 Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 2Cr 1:11 Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift [bestowed] upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf. Eph 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. Col 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons. 1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; Jam 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, [the Lord] of glory, with respect of persons. I still think that the man should be the head of the Family as in Ephesians; but what wise women would marry a man who would not love her as Christ loved the church, and value her impute, abilities, long suits and opinions??? Jesus Christ is Lord... over all! Ephesians isn't asking husbands to be dictators and "control freaks" We have seen way too much of the lording over of GOD's people from a selfish self-center stand point. Balances are not easy to find or maintain without a lot of effort by all. Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Eph 5:22 ¶ Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing. Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband. Thanks Dan, I will try it again!

Dear (((((Wordsandworks))))) Thank you! It sounds very interesting and I am figuring it out now I hope to conect to it! edited to add: Their registration requires giving them too much personal information for me, particularily not knowing much about them or the reasons they require it! Sorry!

Dear (((((Bramble))))) I am glad your not going to incur any damage. That was really smart and wise of You to check out! I have been told these spots can occur with blood pressure changes! Time to get better advice, I think...or at least a check up!

You make a very good and sound point that many could easily agree with; as well as myself. This only works well when we are able to decide to play fair and with respect for one another and our intentions and motives are clear and well defined. A Good debate has rules and boundaries! A good and masterful debater's objective is not to attack and bring down another debater. The goal is to persuasively represent you side by evidence! Debate Rules and Suggestions Advice on Debating with Others Avoid the use of Never. Avoid the use of Always. Refrain from saying you are wrong. You can say your idea is mistaken. Don't disagree with obvious truths. Attack the idea not the person. Use many rather than most. Avoid exaggeration. Use some rather than many. The use of often allows for exceptions. The use of generally allows for exceptions. Quote sources and numbers. If it is just an opinion, admit it. Do not present opinion as facts. Smile when disagreeing. Stress the positive. You do not need to win every battle to win the war. Concede minor or trivial points. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling. Watch your tone of voice. Don't win a debate and lose a friend. Keep your perspective - You're just debating. You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone in English, even someone you know quite well. With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly. Threads turn ugly here due to misunderstandings of intents and emotions, personal attacks, and the inability to just respect that other views have credence and credibility and a right to be heard! Tactics of labeling and accusations are cruel distractors and not the proper tools of a debate. There are many more people here who do not post; They read and assess our posts! Isn't the point of a debate representing a side or a viewpoint to inform others in order to impact them with knowledge and wisdom in such a manner than they also feel free to add and make the exchange a profitable, good and fair experience for All???

Oooooh Dear :o (((((WhiteDove))))! Not that Come together! The meeting of the minds and hearts "come together" to clean up figuratively the back of the bus. The wounded in heart and mind and in body and soul. To endeavor to help them to heal or to understand,... to up gird them until such time they are recovered. Done in and with the best of Their (the back of the bus people) particular abilities and intentions and Yours included of course!!! Oooooh Dear :o (((((WhiteDove))))! Not that Come together! The meeting of the minds and hearts "come together" to clean up figuratively the back of the bus. The wounded in heart and mind and in body and soul. To endeavor to help them to heal or to understand,... to up gird them until such time they are recovered. Done in and with the best of Their (the back of the bus people) particular abilities and intentions and Yours included of course!!! This is doubled????? Help, Please !!!!

Thank you Cman, Now we are on the same page! I understand that loud and clear! "The Word of God without God is empty. Without God to take us through it, we by ourselves cannot get it. By our own doing alone, we cannot get the meaning. Maybe that's worded better." You have such amazing depth of understand! John chapter 1 is just so very controversial! I can see it from at least three different viewpoints: Trinitarian, Non trinitarian and as referring to as GOD's foreknowledge! It matters mainly to GOD what I believe; so I don't argue it, dispute it or debate it much, I just keep it as I am able to understand it! Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. In the past 20 years that I have studied GOD's word I see too many clear references to Christ being the Son of God rather than God the Son. If someone asked me about it, that is what I would teach and show them...every man decides His own heart! It always seems to come back around to our free will and our level of understanding versus GOD's Will and knowing! Still His will is what will absolutely prevail! It is really only logical,...Mankind wills are individual, unequal, too divided and incomparable to GOD's Will. GOD's will is not divided at all...it remains constant and trustworthy!

Thanks for the ride ((((Bramble)))))!!! It's nice to be in company you love and trust! God and my guardian angels could no doubt use a break; as many of the strangers in this world have gotten even stranger! This beats the bus Bramble, I heard a lot of bad stuff about the back of the bus!!! Hey, I heard there is another bus trip, heading the same way we are...Just maybe the right people with the right stuff can come together and clean it all up :) "Come together" isn't that in a song ((((WhiteDove))))??? Beatles right???

With this kind of good contagious sense of humor, the problem must be too many Buses or too few drivers! Maybe I will walk!

This is too precious ((((Cman)))))! "o...I'm not sure the words will come from me. In order for you to see the desires of your heart and more. That's not my department..." It isn't Your department :o Imagine my shock and dismay Thanks for Your patience!!! Sometime I wish it wasn't my department either...it can be a down right difficult department at times!!! :unsure:

I also am very glad we can talk like this too, I like learning from You too Cman. I respect You greatly and I like your style! Ahhh, :) I thought it was about John chapter 1 ...that helps me a lot; except as You say it is a difficult chapter!!! I didn't want to assume where You were coming from or to infer something that You didn't state! It never hurts to ask hey? Now I have to brush up on John chapter1. I certainly hope for You and me that someone else more on Your par starts contributing to this fine and interesting thread, while I check things out a little more I have been gone out a lot today I am sure that You have been reworking what You learned for a far greater amount of time than I have. I mull it over longer. I like to read it...listen to many different word based commentaries and work it. It is a process for me and take time! So off I go to work on it! See You when I get back Cman!

Well ((((Cman))), I will have to give some thought to and to examine what You have said in Your last two post. I do not fullly understand all of what you're saying, and I am not clear as to how you arrived at these thoughts??? Can You help me any to understand more clearly!???

I think that a "Christian Only" forum is a good idea Dot and to add other separate forums for other schools of thought! After all anyone can read any thread still. It might limit some of the senseless arguing!!! Edited to add: I am not sure how the divisions among Christians could be handled as there are so many different denominations under Christianity??? i would hope with respect and self control!!!

What do You think explains the many thousands of different interpretations by mankind of the Word/Scripture throughout all the ages, since GOD desires that His will is done and He is not given to change. He allows us free will choice to hew out our own cisterns, but particularly states: 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. and Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. God's Word is His Will... It testifies of Him. How else would we know GOD??? By the billion different viewpoints and schools of thought??? To know GOD's Will/Word we must learn it, decide to apply it and live it! We would not know Christ or to be Christlike without the Word of GOD. We were created to be godly, not ungodly!!! 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2Ti 2:16 But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. I first learned these in TWI classes, but since then I have relearned them in the Bible with GOD as my teacher and instructor. They are still the same. God doesn't change, His Word and Will doesn't change. We change as we choose to; but should we change in anyway we choose to???: If GOD's Will is to be done should we change His Will, by our free will???Are we the clay now going to fashion the potter??? HAHAHA Are we now going to instruct GOD to understand and accept our will over His Will/Word He gave us choice, but both in the Old and the New Testament we see there are consequences for choices that are against His Will/Word. He has that right. He is the creator and we are the creations. We are specks to Him, but He in His love made us worthy through His grace, mercy, lovingkindness and constancy and invariance. He exalted us but we will always still remain under Him and accountable to him in His good time and pleasure! Least we forget that this is only an age, "The Age of Grace", a small speck of time to GOD whose reckoning of time is incomprehensibly different than ours is. This age will pass at and by GOD's Will/Word alone...not by our will. What can we change by our own wills that will effect GOD's Will or the age to come??? Free Will can bite You if You're NOT careful and it is not tempered by GOD's Will/Word and meek to GOD!!! Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 1Ti 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 1Ti 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 1Ti 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed.

Mark, Excellant quote!

Thank You ((((Cman)))))), It was great of You to check it out so quickly and to share your thoughts with me! I am still working through it! I hope that I have not disrupted or derailed your thread with my questions!!! I brought it up in correlation in a way to what is GOD's will and how is it being done... relating to the subject of Your thread! I am sorry for the tangent!!! I wish more people were responding to Your Thread here; I think that it would make for a really great discussion; but that is a privilege and a choice. Since this is my 1st real in depth look at Revelation and Daniel..I am really excited that I can put some of it together and increase my knowledge and understanding, without having exclusively a TWI take on it. Now, I can look objectively at any viewpoints that may help me, and sift them to find GOD's true will! After all is said and done, GOD and GOD's Word and GOD's Will still remain the same, established and unalterable, now and forever! My goal is to learn it as He, GOD intends it be known; Without altering it, or adding to it, or subtracting from it to suit my will. Back to GOD's will being done! I never was denominational or religious; That is all too complicated for me. Just way too many viewpoints of GOD for me. If the Bibles wrong then I deserve the consequences or whatever! Although, I am convinced it isn't wrong at all!!! All that I have ever truly wanted to know is GOD, His Will and His Word purely and unadulterated. He has loved, saved me in all manners, watched over me, healed, protected me, and forgiven me. I could not list all that God has done for me or my children, Loved ones and friends!!! The absolute, very least that I can return back to Him is to love, honor, and trust His will and Word in my all too human, but genuine way. Love You Cman, thanks for taking the time and the effort to reply to my queries; and for your input here at GRSC!

Dear Cman, I am using: 1. http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html 2.http://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/davis_bob/ commentary - on Daniel and Revelation 3. My Bible and concordances and maps..etc. He is a good commentary and it all plays on or downloads to the "Real player" ( a free down loadable media player). I don't agree with His trinity viewpoint but I am able to sift that out and glean from his knowledge and to document his historical sources and findings!; It is time consuming, but worth the effort! Maybe, You, or anyone else would like to share their knowledge of these two inter-related books, as this is the 1st time I have ever understood Daniel or Revelations and yet I am still not ready to really discuss it on a teaching level...It is still processing! After being told not to bother with it and finding how exciting and informative it truly is, I hope that others will add what they know or how they view it.

Praying for (((((Mark))))))!!!

This is for You(((( Mstar1))))) :)

Thanks ((((Hap)))) for this thread; I think I have watched it at least 20x'sHere is an update on Christian The Lions story and His owners interviews

Dear (((((Jonny)))))), Your right about survival of the fittest and things the way we don't want them to be or end :o . How sad!!!!...I thought bears ate mostly nuts and berries .... boohoo!!! We sure have graphically seen way too many things end badly in every category of life in this instant media age...Usually right in our own back yard is more than plenty..."What a world!!!" "What a world!!!" I am going to watch Haps You tube thread on Christian the Lion!

Hey(((((Cman)))), :) God's Word surely is all encompassing and he does cover it all! Very nice to know that His will will be done in the "Grand scheme" of it all!!! What have You been studying Cman? I am working on Daniel and Revelation...which is amazing. I always wanted to understand Revelation.... in light of history, other books of the bible and a few commentaries to sift through.

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