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"I think you got out of the corps what you wanted to. Yep some of it was ok. Some of it was awful. It left me with a lot more questions than answers"... I kept waiting for the damned program to START! After 6 months, I realized it was a stupid scam so I left.

Steve; maybe I missed something, but is this what someone in CES stated?

I cannot find Dr Jeudes site any more. Does anyone have his link? I wanted to get the book that Belle mentioned.

Maybe it's nothing more than Craig is FREE for the first time since he graduated from KU. Free to sleep in, to not attend meetings, to not always look over his shoulder and second guess his spiritual growth and abilities. When I left, it was such a weight off my shoulders and to this day, I DON'T join ANYTHING! I am my own person and that's not possible when "formally" linked to any group.

VP is the reason LCM married Donna. Neither one of them loved each other; it was a dictate of VP. VP also knew that Donna was attracted to women, so why would he risk his "son's" future by creating that mess? This was not a father figure doing best by his son. This was all about the master puppet pulling the strings---and the heck with the results. I for one have no fond memories of VP. I could never reconcile the contradictions of father figure with someone who would publicly scream and humiliate "his kids". He'd scream at the men and he encouraged the women to abort the "non-living cells" they were carrying. It could even morph to his attitude of leaving JP behind. VP always came first. It was all self-serving and abusive of everyone, including Mrs. W, his children, and "his kids".

Are they still getting people to sign up for the WC program?? "94-'95 is 10 years ago and most of what is talked about here are the past WC groups.

YIKES!!!!!!!!!! I wonder what kind of father he was??? Did he treat the girls differently from the boys. He seemed to single Don out as a failure but Don gave up a high position in education to come and serve his dad's nightmare. I think it was by coersion more than anything else.

That's interesting that she was adopted. How does that happen if her dad is still around and in the picture? Her brother said they spent lots of time at her dad's place in a nearby town. I know her step dad came to live with them when she was two. Lately they've referred to him as her mother's companion, not husband. Not that any of this matters in the big scheme of the awful double murder.

I guess I thought they're still married because I've never read about them divorcing here at Gspot. This forum has been so informative on all the updates. I remember him publicly defaming those who got divorced and yet I've not heard that he and Donna decided to formally end it and move on. GAWD, thinking that he's out there and available is creepy!

Does anyone have an idea why they stay legally married? What is the gain? They obviously don't like or respect each other, they don't live together nor even in the same town. He's been publically defrocked and humiliated and according to the Word, they both have the green light to dissolve the whole sham.

What the heck did did Donna EVER do???? She always seemed so insecure to me. A lot of "tough" talk but no substance at all.

Holy Crap!!! Even the little children??? And GB was a pervert??? I'm just speechless! Is GB and wife still in???

Laci was adopted? I've never read that. She and her brother are full siblings and children of Sharon; her sister Amy is half-sibling--all three have the same father, hence the same last name. I read about brother named Mark in one of the many publications I've been following and cataloged that information. His siblings are all half siblings; he's the child of both parents and they had 3 kids each from prior marriages. Interestingly, I only read of two [and their spouses] who spoke for him at the final time of witnesses on his behalf. I used to be with a sociopath; they are strange but most don't take it to murder and then let everyone around them scramble to save them. Meanwhile, they sit and relish all the attention. Scott wanted to be a famous golfer [celebrity]. Today, he is a celebrity of sorts and is so disconnected from the enormity of how he obtained that status.

quote: He's already said "I'll be out in a year" how arrogant is that?" Really??? Papers have reported that he is upbeat and cheerful and helpful. SHEESH, he is such a narcissist that ANY attention is worth it! Don't know if any of you remember this, but long ago the investigators talked with a former college friend of his. This friend said that he had a conversation with Scott back in the early-to-mid 90's about murder. Scott said that if he ever did that, he'd weigh down the arms and head and throw them into water. They would eventually rot off and no one could identify the victim. Because this was a conversation that couldn't be substantiated, it never resurfaced. If true, I doubt that Peterson ever took into account that DNA could still be used to identify Laci's remains as being related to Sharon Rocha, and through that, Connor's remains could be postively identified as being half Rocha and half Peterson. My heart breaks for both families. The Rocha's who lost their daughter and grandson; the Peterson's whom I believe have lived in denial and covered for Scott for many years. They just cannot see or admit what he is. One more thing; he has a brother who refused to attend any of these proceedings. It was written that his brother Mark believes he is guilty. What does that say??

Homework in kindergarten??????? What is the big rush to take on the pressure of life, and better yet, what is the damned point??? My biggest gripe with education is that they push or pressure our kids to learn, rather than inspire them to be excited and engaged in learning.

My story is much like Dmiller's. Felt so betrayed by TWI and then my husband left a year later. It was such double-betrayal and I was left reeling emotionally. I felt like a throw-away and I have remained single. Took me a long time to feel like I was on solid ground. I didn't go to therapy; I felt so stupid and that no one would understand. But I started to realize that my heart was always right---to know, love and serve the Lord. I still wanted time and solace in His wisdom. I tried some churches and found that all the phone calls started to bug me. I also couldn't abide people saying, "well, this prevented me from getting to bible study and I realized that God didn't want to me come last time." What nonsense. God isn't controlling every jot and tittle of our lives. With the knowledge of our wisdom, he trusts us to deal with the things of life. I finally found that Joyce Meyers, Michael Youseff, and Doug Batchelor's teachings are a real pleasure on television. They teach bible, but I choose when to turn on the tv. And of course, I don't always agree with absolutely everything they say, but I also don't major in minors either. These teachers don't get into the wordsmith gymnastics that TWI did, yet they bring the simple things of God to mind to inspire me.

My brother and I both skipped a grade. It was the best thing because we were challenged and excited about school again. Both of us went on to graduate college.

Paying for the right to speak in tongues??? I was gone by that time. What was that about??

Charles Manson has been housed and fed for over 40 years and I ask why?? No admittance and no remorse. Even my retarded brother knows when he has done wrong. The difference here is intent. With Peterson, would someone be next when she is no longer convenient??? I just read of a woman who killed her husband many years ago by slowly poisoning him. Recently her boyfriend died of the same symptoms. When coroner determined cause, they reopened her husbands death records. She has now been convicted of the boyfriend's murder. I have no problem with the death sentence for premeditation. Peterson was just stupid to admit he was at the Bay.

Excathedra; Yep, it's true. I know someone who took Momentus and they are told that Dr Phil was a student of theirs, that he took that "training" in Texas. As with all groups like that, there is a typical language--certain words they use much like we did in TWI. I've read their book, "Killing the Victim before he kills you" by Dan T, and Dr Phil does use the same jargon. I'm sure they make a point to say that Phil was a student and advocate to solidfy that Dr P took their training and look where he's gone in life.

Exway; you are blessed to live honestly. I never understood the "choice" argument. If that were true, than all of us could simply choose to change. When we say, "No way could I do that" we need to understand that "no way can you do that" either. It is the epitome of arrogance to think we have all the answers. Life has many shades of gray that we have no answers to, and it's not the so-called lemons we are given, it's how we deal and live with them honestly. None of us knows why we are who we are---we just are. Within the gay community, people are as diverse as anyone else. When there is simplicity and balance and honesty, they live quite well. Then there are others [just like in the straight community] who seem to have a need to be "in your face" with their life---those are the ones I am affended by only because of their attitude. I've often wondered that if we just were willing to agree to disagree, they might not feel so compelled to put a stake in the ground. I have family members who are gay. They've chosen to live monagamously and not flaunt anything. They are decent, loving and caring humans who only ask that in return. It is a waste of energy to do otherwise. I have utmost respect for your honesty. I have to ask---are you still a follower of the Lord regardless? So many gay people seem to think they cannot be.

Dr Phil is a graduate of Momentus.

Krysilis is correct. Maybe your wife should make an appointment with an endocrinologist to have all her hormone levels checked, especially testosterone. that is the key hormone for sex drive. Most women are much lower in that hormone naturally; some gals are luckier than others. the doctor can look at levels and then give a RX to help [add] some in balance with all the others.

Hi! This is my kind of topic! I've been informally studying naturopathic remedies for over 30 years and use the very simple principles that God gave us. Amazing how it's not that hard. One very effective natural pain substance is MSM---it's sulphur, NOT to be confused with sulfa drugs. Experts/chemists have not found a level that is toxic for humans [although I'm sure there is an out of balance level at some point]. But, NO SIDE EFFECTS have been shown ever. It comes in 1000 mg tablets; when I've had sore muscles or joint pain for any reason, I've taken 2 and the pain melts away. Seems we are all deficient in sulphur because the soils are so depleted. I've seen the infomercial you talk about and most of what he states I've learned already, but it's taken years and many books. I'm waiting for the price to come down. A book I can recommend to get you started is M Ted Morter's book "Fells Your Health and Wellness". [no idea what Fells means and his original book, Your Health, Your Choice is out of print but both available on Amazon at used prices]. This book will open your eyes about the foundations of how to get well naturally without a taking a ton of supplements -- which in itself is a financial rip off. Good health is at your fingertips if you're willing to make some basic changes. I'm in my mid 50's and my doctor is amazed. My looks and my lab work indicates a much younger person.

Hi Ex; You will love that book. He shows you how to be cleaning 3 rooms with the effort of only one! He wrote another book called "Clutters Last Stand" Great hints and great humor!!!