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What was said about Don Wierwille's death? He died of lung cancer I believe. It just makes me sick to think of how I was tricked into believing that all ill people were possessed. What crap! Just when people need our help the most, we in TWI just "put them deeper into what they dealt with" much like was stated in the PFAL class about the alcoholic ! Long ago, someone posted on GS or WD about VPW and the trait of narcissim. They mentioned a book called "Malignant Self Love". I bought it and read it cover to cover. It was exhausting to read about this condition which is truly evil. The term narcissim is thrown around loosly but it is pretty insidious and relatively incurable; the book was written by a narcissist who was jotting down his thoughts before "the condition overtakes me again." [my husband was this way and I was amazed to finally understand what was wrong for so long]. It dawned on me that among other things, the leaders at the top were all there because the evil of narcissim allows them to live and thrive in the conditions they create. And, they CANNOT hear anyone or anything differently. Poor Mrs W-----she lived entrapped [partly by her situation of dependence, and partly by her upbringing].

Wow....this is an emotional topic!! Both my husbands cheated; the first one left; I kicked the second one out. Interestingly, both were in the church. Our modern day society has helped feed this concept of cheating as "no big deal." It's excused all over the media [tv and movies]. It's excused in our court system of easy divorce [the bible gave two only two reasons, and remember God says, "I hate divorce"]. We excuse out of wedlock pregnancies, and there's a never ending stream of welfare to support the mothers when the father just disappears. Statistically, far more men cheat and leave than women do. It shows they only think of Me, Me, Me; they don't care about the life of the ones they walk out on. Those of us who were single parents cannot put into words the depth of worry and exhaustion we dealt with. I did learn that what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. I made it; raised my kids and today they are all on their own, financially successful, and with good spouses. I choose to remain single. I am happy and fulfilled. I grieved the fact that I don't trust to be in another relationship, but I have learned that twice bitten is enough. Dot and Rascal, you are loved!

I recently watched the Al Pacino movie, The Devil's Advocate. It was eerily like being in TWI----all those nice people who turned out to be imposters!

Thanks for the explanation. The one thing that always bugged me about all these groups is how readily they throw around the accusation, "You're unforgiving". Forgiveness is the responsibility of the one who is wronged. It's to their own benefit to choose to forgive. Doesn't meant to FORGET---it just means to release themselves from hurt or anger that keeps them from moving forward. Truly unforgiving people will go away and stew on their own anyway. I, on the other hand will forgive, but I will always be cautious until it is shown to me that the situation was unique or foolishly handled. If it is not unique, I will choose caution in interacting with that individual at the same level as I did previously before the injury occurred. I think that's just wise discernment---not unforgiveness. And it's my choice, not the directive of some outside person. I answer to God on this one.

YIKES----I think we were all married to the same guy. I hadn't thought about these things in years. So glad I'm out of all of it!!

"During our 5 years with the group we were not pressured at all to give money or SIT unless you consider simply passing the horn of plenty around pressure." Are you still "with" them, and if not, why not?

How old is this photo????

"JUST" "Father, I just thank you, for just bringing me to just your Word, that Jesus would just die for us all, that you made us to just sit you in the heavenlies......" Yikes, that word used to be such a distraction to me!

Thanks for all the replies. It is good to see the videos; I had much of the same reactions as others. As for the Martindale kids, I will add them to my prayer list that they strike out on their own. VPW's three oldest kids did that. When Don returned to the farm, that's when his life took a terrible turn. Become teachers, computer programmers, veterinarians, nurses, whatever----but that they go out and give to society. I know the eldest daughter was a music major; she could teach music. It would be so liberating for them to live life outside that cocoon.

What is the LES board??

“Having once been blind-sided by a divorce I should have seen coming and only able to speak concerning that and "that" woman, I am reminded of the words of wisdom my dear Mother spoke afterwards. " You didn't see it coming because she kept so many things hidden from you".” Me too. And my husband blamed me for the divorce. It never occurred to him that my reactions were in response to his actions [or lack of]. I fought hard to work it out, by actions, non-actions, changing, etc. I never expected divorce to be an option. I believe love is a choice. We choose to love others even when they are acting unlovable. It’s hard but is very doable. Today, people take the easier road, which is to leave. What to do? Cry, get angry, and then start working for your own success. Stay busy. I started taking care of myself. Healthier diet, exercise, and mental growth. Took classes that interested me, put my energies into new job skills. Spent time with my kids. Today, I'm loving life and making new friends. I will never again have anyone in my life who doesn't add to my life----whether it's friends or husbands. That realization has helped me develop healthy friendships at this point. It has served me well. I admit I'm gun-shy about romance. I've been badly burned and it's hard to be willing to go there again.

I looked at the other videos. How many acres is the HQ's? What a waste of fertile farmland. Is it just being used to house Howard's family, Wanda, and Donna's family??? Does anyone know if LCM's grown kids are working in the real world now or are they just on staff? I hope they go out and build solid careers. This would help them to contribute to society as a whole and to have successes that are uniquely theirs, rather than do work that is nothing more than an extension of their parents.

God's way of dealing with ultimate evil wasn't rehabilitation, it was a flood. Man needs to recognize ultimate evil...period!

The root was rotten from the beginning. Rotten roots don't produce healthy fruit---ever. It's a law of nature. If they want to change, they need to do it individually as we all have done. LEAVE, get out of the lofty towers and go back and live an honest life. Really examine what they were taught and admit to how much of it is so wrong, doctrinally and practically.

Wow, does this thread bring back yucky memories!!! All that extreme order was so out of order!! " Jxhn Nxve was another anal retentive. He's one who was reeeaaaaly weird, played lots of mind games. I sure felt sorry for Frxn. Maybe more on that later." Names from the past... I just met up with her last year. Hadn't seen her since they were in the Corps back in the 70's. The girl looks the same after all these years.

Dr John Christopher was the only naturopath allowed by the US Army during WWII to treat patients. He has passed now, but his son continues his work. Here's the website with great books. http://www.herbsfirst.com/ Also, his student, Dr Richard Schulze carries on the same work, and is big on whole foods and cleansing of organs. his website is: www.800herbdoc.com

Hey Dot! There's a great book called "Going Against the Grain" which will simply lay out for you what grains and starches do to our bodies. Carbohydrates in the forms of starches, sweets [including many fruits] and all sugars are reeking havoc with our health. The number one form is High Fructose Corn Syrup which is a processed corn sugar and its in EVERYTHING that is packaged or boxed. I was becoming diabetic; in one week, my cholesterol reduced to normal, as did my blood sugar and blood pressure. I'm down 40+ pounds in just a few months, mainly by restricting above-said types of carbs. Veggies are carbs too, but the green and red and yellow ones that are non-starchy are harmless and essential. Diabetes is nothing more than carbohydrate intolerance. Therefore it seems quite dishonest of the ADA to recommend a diet that is composed of 60-70% carbohydrate. BTW, for all of you with diabetes or friends and relatives with it, there is a wonderful Dr in New York who treats diabetics only. He is Richard K Bernstein----and has been a Type I diabetic for over 55 years. They don't live that long but he radically changed his food plan [after putting himself through medical school at the age of 48]. To learn more, here's his website: http://www.diabetes-book.com/ The forum section is a mind blower!!

That was an interesting post by JAL from 2004. A lot of words to say that CES is where it's at NOW for him. Yet a few months ago, JAL "resigned" ---from his life's work--??? I think it's strange that he stood so strong for TWI, stood so strong for CES, and now he's not in any leadership capacity with either of them? ODD. Personally, I think he was "asked" to resign. :huh:

John... For Gosh Sakes...haven't you heard online shopping??????? Send her an FTD arrangement with something she can use over again, like a candle holder or vase. You can get her clothes, appliances, a spa treatment all online and they'll send the gift or gift card immediately.

I think some of them do....it seems many are teaching what VPW taught, without all the ugly side. I think that is true of CFF. I think to be really honest, they should study what mainstream Christianity truly teach for comparison, rather than believing what we were told that mainstream Christianity teaches. We'd probably find that we have more similarities on the important stuff than we realize.

What in the Heck do these people DO???? A VP is there in case something happens to the "P". And they ususally head up specific departments in corporations, like "Vice President of Sales." Are they in numeric order or do they draw straws if they take over for Rosie??? Interesting title for TWI--- "Vice" Presidents

Pardon me, but didn't Donna's kids go to college?? We know that VP's older kids did. Seems awfully two-faced to me.

"Dr said of Donna, 'You married yourself a hell of a woman! Her heart perception with people is second to none.'" Gag, gag, GAG!!! Her heart perception with people is second to none??????? :wacko:

"Now Vince is one of the three vice presidents on the board of directors. Maybe he can do some good." I always liked the McFadden's, but the fact that they returned to TWI after knowing all the things that are wrong with it makes me sad. I don't believe they will make any turn-around changes. To become one of the top vice presidents means you have to be sold out to or at least in complete denial of the spiritual root of the problem. Does anyone think that they can teach anything different than the TWI party line if you're a senior VP??? :(