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I called the bookstore about a year ago, I asked for a current list of what's available from them. She told me that she would send me a copy of all the books presently available and all of the tapes/cd's/videos available. But then she added "If you're looking for something by Dr. don't bother. We no longer carry anything of his." I was surprised that after looking me up in their database that she spoke to me. But she was very cordial and polite. She called me one of the "old timers". Don't know if I like that term. ^_^ Hehehehehe...wolfy...hehehehe

Ok...if you insist...drum roll please... Just kidding it isnt that big a thing but ya'll have the history so could you please clear up this little nagging thorn for me? Remember Noah? Course you do. Genesis 9:21-27: And Noah began to be an husbandman and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the fater of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their fathers nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, 'Cursed be Canaan: a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren." And he said, 'Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and Canaan shall be his servant." Ok, first question; the 'nakedness' of Noah can refer to either his own physical being without clothing, it can refer to his wife's physical being without clothing and in some cases can be referring to sexual intercourse. Which is it here? Next question: why did Noah curse Canaan and not Ham? Canaan was Ham's youngest son, is that significant? VP taught that the son's actions were the responsibility of the father. But then again he also taught concerning this section that Ham had castrated Shem and so both lines were cursed but that is not what my Bible says. Sorry to derail here but this topic has been buggin me for years. We could start another thread.

So maybe ole VP borrowed something from Rashi? Or someone else did? Or VP actually read the account and figured this out for himself...ok too far fetched But really spirit beings cannot copulate with flesh. I find it difficult to imagine spirit being attracted to flesh. The opposite of course, ie flesh being attracted to spirit...the NT speaks of the differences between flesh and spirit, its like apples and oranges. So I'm not so sure that Rashi had the right of it there. Perhaps the serpent was jealous..an argument can be made for that I think....

In other words upon eating they gained wisdom, enough so that they were now set apart from other animals mentally and in so doing they became aware of their own mortality? I can buy that. In fact that makes good sense...bear with me...why would God make a tree of eternal life if Adam and Eve were created that way? If they were created as VP taught it, perfectly so that they would never die then why did God make a tree that bore fruit that upon eating would grant eternal life? Foreknowledge? I don't think so. That just sounds like a catch all phrase for "I don't know" At least in this instance and TWI teaching. As far as I know the tree of life isn't mentioned again in the bible, is it?

Glad to hear that you are feeling better. :) Ok, so do you think that our wonderful Esther was perhaps the inspiration or was in fact Ishtar and Venus? In different religions?

Greetings to you Preacher! Welcome to the spot. Word Wolf has some wonderfully helpful advice for you that will help answer a great many of your questions and perhaps a few that you did not know you had. If you need assistance don't be afraid to ask, but as WW says please be polite. love ya bro I can relate. It was kind of like going to a dance because you are expected to and pretending to actually like dancing! <_< (This white girl aint got no rythm!)

Glad to accomodate: Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies (excerpts of "Letters to Spalatin") I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has aneasy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen. I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience. First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know. (He continues with a 7 point plan) http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/luther-jews.html This is only one such source. It is well documented in German history that Hitler gleened a great deal of his "Jew hating material" from Martin Luther.

Hope its nothing serious? Get back when you can I have another question that will take us way off the topic. But I would like to hear what you know. Love ya sis, You are soooo right this is a very big area of study. I have had the opportunity over the past couple of years to study it just a little as it relates to something else that I am doing. It is so interesting how all of these religions from Christianity all the way back to stone age paganism all have similar aspects. It just can't be coincidence. And it cannot all be accounted for by migration either. This thought has been running nonstop in my head for quite a while. It started with the pyramids of Egypt and the Mayan pyramids and grew from there. Having others to converse with and gleen insight, knowledge and amoks from is wonderful.

I heard this as well although I was not in this class. I do know that VP always recommended those two books for reading, and I distinctly remember him telling us that the Jews that were in Isreal today are "frauds". (His words not mine) He said that they were not of a "pure" bloodline, and were no better than converted slaves. They did not deserve respect or pity from any other race. He always seemed very proud of his heritage and I know that he was a big follower of both Hitler and Martin Luther both of which were avid Jew haters. (Hitler got the majority of his Jew hating terminology from Martin Luther, the original not King or Jr.) As for Craig being the prefect physical icon of VP's vision of Aryan Christianity....have you seen Craig? Have you heard him? Have you read "VP and Me"? Do you know what the Hitler Youth were all about? As for VP being a "proud German" I am certain that he would agree with that, but not all Germans would, like my fathers family for example. Captain S.- I know that you want answers but as someone else said to you in another thread, try to make a statement. We have all been grilled by the best...face to face...we didn't take it then...some of us do not appreciate the inquisition treatment that you give others.

Actually I think that this is indicative of the propagnda that TWI put out concerning some of their programs. LEAD was touted as being a very cool thing to do. I never heard anything negative about it before I myself went. And as I have already stated when we got back no body spoke to us about it. Truly if it was brought up our experiences were belittled or we were told that we were overreacting or out of fellowship, or worse. So we all just stopped talking about it with anyone. If someone were to ask me at say the Rock if I had gone LEAD the correct answer was "Yes, it was great!" Any negative response or remark within a response needed to be "qualified". Something like, "Yes, it was really cold and some folks got frost bite. But they were healed by the leaders (pick your fav MOG). So everything turned out great!" I just didn't talk about it. Until now.

For a long time when things would go wrong as they do, I would think "Ok is this punishment for something I did or thought?" It took years to bring that thought under control. I don't know why it bugged me for so long. Every once in a while even today I will catch myself having that stray thought "What did I do..." It just makes me so friggin' sick.

Well said sis,

It truly depends on the taser that you get. Some are up close and personal, in other words you have to be within arms reach and actually touch the taser to them. Some like the X26 have the darts that come out of them up to 25 feet but they cost about $1000 each (not each dart, each gun) darts are extra. The X26 can be used either way and according to the training manual it only locks up the large muscle groups not the muscles of the organs. So this specific type of taser (there is more than one type) cannot cause a heart attack. It can scare someone to death but lots of things can do that. I suggest pepper spray, get the stream as it goes a lot further and there is less chance of it back flashing at you. Trust me you do not want that. Having been sprayed several times both from training and by my partners bad aim I can tell you it is not pleasant. I do suggest if you get pepper spray that you have someone you trust spray you once with it so that you can see how you are affected by it. Its not such a shock then if you ever have to use it. Another point is that people that are on some types of drugs do not respond well to the electric shock taser (the common one) or pepper spray. Once again from experience, do not assume that if you hit them with either that they will immediately be incapacitated, this does not always happen if a person is shot with a gun. So dont expect it from a non lethal weapon. My advice for personal protection is the pepper spray. It fits easily into a purse or pocket, is easy to deploy (especially if you get the key ring one) and it stops most people. My advice for home protection is a 12 gage shotgun. Handgun rounds go through walls and endanger everyone. If you get a smaller caliber then they are ineffective. They are also hard to aim in the dark. Shotguns have several advantages, everyone knows the sound of a shotgun racking (get a pump action for best results) it is the universal sound for "you are now in deep SH!T", The round going off will light up practically any size room, you can point it in any general direction of the sound and are practically assured of hitting what made the sound if you dont the muzzle blast will show you where he is at and probably scare the sh!t out of him so now you can smell him too, and lastly the rounds do not generally pass through the walls (depending on distance of course and thickness of walls but it is much less dangerous than say a 9 mm). Learning to use a pump action shotgun is really easy and now they have the auto feed shotgun that once the first round is out the next feeds into the chamber so in the heat of the moment a person doesn't forget what to do. It's easy when you're on the range but in the heat of the moment adreneline (sp) kicks in and if you havent trained a lot then you wont react well. So stick with easy. And stay out of reach.

Unfortunately the last intelligent coordinator that I had outside of my TC while in res at Emporia, was from a long line of not so brite people. My LC in Arkansas was a wonderful, smart and compassionate man. After that everything went down hill. My "last" LC here in Nevada hmmm....let me tell you a short story. My mother and I were going to go over and welcome the new LC to the area, it was kind of my responsibility as I was the AC. (Don't ask how that happened) Anyway the freshly graduated Corps grad and his wife were staying with our resident Rambo fan, Mr. Huckleberry. Well mom and I rang the doorbell while artfully juggling several different dishes of food. Mrs. Huckleberry answered the door. She was immediately embarrassed. The kids were screaming, which in itself was not out of the ordinary, except in this situation they were screaming because daddy wouldn't let them play, because adults were playing. The distinct sound of a real handgun being dry fired was coming from the living room. When I entered I found Mr. Huckleberry and Mr. Dimwit playing "kill the commie" using real weapons (thankfully empty of rounds). They were ducking and dodging, running and jumping all over the place as if they were really in a jungle somewhere halfway around the world fighting for their lives. They did not want to stop the "game" to meet us...so we left. They asked about a week later why I hadn't come by as was required to meet Mr. Dimwit. I just shook my head. He was ordained a few years later. I don't know what became of him after that. Perhaps Kit Sober would know.

It is sad. I know that I tried to talk to him as well, but I totally lost his ear in '90. He never chewed me out for correcting him or pointing out mistakes he just said thanks. But like I said I totally lost his ear in '90. He was gone and then so was I.

It has come up a time or two...

Invite the wife along, there's plenty of beer to go around. We can always play darts or watch football. :D

That totally sucks Rottie. If you still want some info on Tasers, I have the instruction book right in front of me. We carry the X26, nasty piece of work but most of the info is the same for all.

Bless you Listener you are a true sweetie! Thank you for everything. If we ever meet the first beer is on me...well not ON me....unless it is really warm and there is a wet t-shirt contest I could compete in....

My dear sweet little cutie pie squirrel it is ALWAYS the wrong thread if you are mixing bread with veggies. Everyone knows that bread goes with cheese and wine and veggies go with butter. Confrontations....didn't get too many of those...most of the clergy felt that they needed to down channel anything that they felt they needed to say to me. The great and powerful Rev. Fart tried to dress me down, but I didn't even respond to him, was too tired to pay him too much attention. Rev. Larson down channeled it... Come to think of it Rev. Gomer Pile did try to dress me down just before he told me I was being dropped from the Corps. But he was only the final stop of LCM's down channel. It was similar to yours Ham, he said "You know you made a mistake?" I replied "Yeah I probably made a lot of them. Which one are you referring to?" All he could say was, "Well you know which one" said with a very bemused look on his face. Certainly hoping that I would fill in the blank for him. No such luck, my reply was "Nope not a clue, do you have a clue?" At that he just sputtered for a few seconds and then finally spit out, along with a piece of lettuce (he had a nasty habit of chewing and talking at the same time), "Well I can see that this is getting us no where, you just are not meek!" So, thinking that the conversation was now over I applied my energy and attention to my lunch. This made him angry. Finally he blurted out, loud enough for the resteraunt next door to hear, "Well I'm just going to call Rev. Martindale and tell him that you're not going to change your behavior! So you had best think of a way to leave soon!" I calmly finished chewing what I had in my mouth, wiped the salad spittal off of my face and said, "I'll call my parents and arrange for a flight." That was the end of my last "confrontation". Lots of folks talked smack, and some even wrote a few letters but no other clergy tried to confront me again. A side note: on the way out of town, the good Rev got into an auto accident because he was paying more attention to his salad than his driving.

Ahh my dear Abi, it has taken me a little more time than I had thought that it would...but...this is what I have found concerning the "Evening Star": "Evening Star is a name for the planet Venus when it appears brilliantly in the western sky after sunset; periods of visibility follow superior conjunction, the time when Venus lies almost behind the sun and is about 256,000,000 km from Earth, and precede inferior conjunction, when Venus is between Earth and the sun and is about 42,000,000 km away from Earth; the term morning star is applied to Venus when it shines brightly in the eastern sky before sunrise." "The planet Venus has probably experienced its most significant personification in the figure of the Mesopotamian goddess Inanna-Ishtar. She was viewed sometimes as female and at other times as bisexual. Through her identification with the Greek Aphrodite and the Roman Venus, Inanna-Ishtar, the queen of heaven, still survives in Roman Catholic iconography—e.g., as the Virgin Mary standing on the moon. African cultures also have been significantly impressed by this planet, not only in the rare figure of a Zulu heavenly goddess who determines the agricultural work of the women but even more as the evening star and the morning star, who are the wives of the moon. In the royal culture of Mwene Matapa (Zimbabwe) and its influences in Buganda (Uganda) and southern Congo, the king is related to the moon, and his wedding with the Venus women is a type of hieros gamos (Greek: “sacred marriage”). In large areas of Africa the concept of “Venus wives of the moon” is preserved, although the moon is usually considered as the wife (or sister) of the sun. This concept was most likely prevalent at a time when the moon-king ideology was widespread in the eastern half of Africa from the Nile to South Africa, perhaps indicating South Arabian influences." I got these from here: "Evening star." Britannica Student Encyclopedia. 2007. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 21 Apr. 2007 <http://www.britannica.com/ebi/article-9322802>. "nature worship." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2007. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 21 Apr. 2007 <http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-38293>. As you can see the article agrees with us that the goddess continues in modern religion in other forms. It also draws the correlation between that goddess and the stars. Hmmm...so if Jesus is the son of the morning star...no amoking let me look this up again. Hehehe Ok here's what I got on the Morning Star: "Greek Hesperos, also called Vesper, in Greco-Roman mythology, the evening star, son or brother of Atlas. He was later identified with the morning star, Phosphorus, or Eosphorus (Latin: Lucifer), the bringer of light. Hesperus is variously described by different authors as the father of the Hesperides (the guardians of the golden apples) or of their mother, Hesperis." I got it here: "Hesperus." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2007. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 21 Apr. 2007 <http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9040280>.

Maybe...he wrote it in the snow...you know like the way boys do that?

Thanks for giving us a place to hang our hats and hang up our nametags! Paw and all you moderators, I hope you like having us "disfunctional" folks as much as we like being had...hmmmm...that didn't quite come out right, but you get the idea...right?

I think it was '88 or '89, the fubar in '86 cost the ministry a lot of money. My guess is that it continued to cost them money in rehab and other things so they figured it just wasn't worth it anymore.