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T-Bone thanks for taking that message from Brad for me... Oh Yeh, the pics were awsome! You are definately the guru of the camera.

Hmmmm....I love bisquits and gravy!!

Hehehe That was good Bumpy! Thanks! Now if I could get a smiley guy to do this and then this :unsure: with just a smidgen of this :blink: and then end it all with this <_< I would be rocking!

Yes I think that you did. But perhaps it is I who is misunderstanding you... I draw a distinction between a "so called minister" which to me implies (does not state) that a person is called a minister by someone but may or may not be a minister, and a "false minister" which again to me clearly states that a person is not in fact a minister. Perhaps you do not draw this same or similar distinction. I am in fact implying that it is possible given the events that John's letter (which was posted here on GS) details that at least one if not more of the leaders of CES were not acting as true ministers. In fact according to other information (again posted here on GS) two top leaders of CES were removed from their positions because others thought that they were not being true ministers. Both of these items detail events that actually happened. I see no need at this time to email anyone. The information is here. I have read it...you can as well. And for the record I do not believe that I lectured you about anything. I asked you: "Please don't tell me what I believe. I'm not in TWI anymore so I won't listen anyway." That is not a lecture...my children would be happy to tell you about one of my lectures. :blink:

Please don't tell me what I believe. I'm not in TWI anymore so I won't listen anyway. There is much that you dont know about this situation Larry. Please avail yourself of the post that Dooj made. She graciously did some research and found some information that might help clarify things for you.

That was a rant??? :unsure: Ah honey you've never played in the pool with the sharks have you? (At least not on this board..hehehe) It is interesting how TWI managed to either install a man/god into our thoughts, a vengeful sadistic Zeus style god or just remove Him from the picture all together (it was all about ME and how well I believed). TWI claimed to be a Christian organization, and there were many people involved that were and still are true Christians, but the basic doctrine of TWI just seems to have been completely at odds with the expected goal. Nero, it is good that you do not blame yourself for your father's condition. It is better that you can stand on your own two feet and boldly state your beliefs. That is a lot harder for some than it should be. It is fortunate that you were able to discount such lies. For many this was not the case. This is beautiful! If I could I would put this on the front page of the Cafe! Hmmm....where's that Paw guy when you need him?

Once again I am looking for the emoticon that shakes its head in disbelief and amazement. :blink: (Best I can do)

I doubt very seriously if you are slow...and I would challenge the "old" thing as well. And I have never doubted your ability or desire to be taught. Now me...well that is a different story. Lots of stuff tends to bounce off of my thick skull and my bones creak at night...well all the time...but I'm not slow. I can get my hover*und up to 40 mph...did some modifying with Harley!

Only in part. He started the conversation by posting the information. Now there are those that would like to know what is happening now. It's like allowing us to see only the first two innings of a baseball game. How does it end? Did it end? That is not interrigation. That is honest curiosity and in some cases concern. I agree. And would add; why does this have to be personal? I am actually more concerned about the people of CES that were once again tricked and misled by so called ministers.

You only say this because Shrek III just came out. Boy aint that the truth! You have no idea how pleased I am to see the growth that is occuring in your life just in the past few days in this thread. Peace of mind, peace with God...yes you are right it is much better!

I just love this account of Jesus. He is our example of how to keep God's great commandment. To love God with all our hearts, our minds, our souls and our strength includes having compassion towards others. Jesus "felt compassion" towards total strangers. How much more did he feel towards those who were close to his heart? How much did he feel towards us whom he would never see in that mortal body? And yet we who claim to be Christians, we who have this same Jesus as our primary example of a righteous walk with God, we bite and nip at each other, we deliberately hurt each other with our words, we minimize each others pain and feelings...and for what? Loyalty to a man? A man who at best did not walk a perfect walk as did our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and at worst was a despicable rapist who deliberately led the children of God astray. Just as VP's life is often compared with the fruit of the spirit that is documented in Galatians 5 many of us could also find in our own lives a parallel with this verse: Galatians 5:15: But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another. The example of Jesus is the walk of the spirit. Galatians 5:16: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. The message seems clear....bite and devour one another = lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:24 & 25: And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Jesus seeing a large crowd felt compassion and healed the sick. Should we do less? Love people where they are, not where you are. I am not thinking of anyone in particular in this post. It just struck me when I reread T-Bone's post and I just had to write it down. BTW T-Bone that was a great post, thanks!

You are not the only one that is trying to find or revive the young one that was supressed or murdered in twi. But frankly those that try to tell me to "move on" just get the big "ignore" from me. I dont block their posts I just dont hear their words. Waysider...well said!

Larry- Why are you trying to come to John's defence? He doesn't seem to give a darn what people think or say concerning him. His legacy is in the toilet and he remains silent. Just from a logical point of view: A lot of people have questions of one single man. It would be easier for that man to simply address as many people as he can in one fell swoop. But instead he chooses to answer the masses individually. That just sounds idiotic.

Actually you are not off topic. The topic is "getting over it". What exactly is "it"? Why does one dwell on or keep repeating "it"? "It" of course is an event that can be verbal, physical or just perceived hence it can be factual for some and not for others, depending upon perception. The interpretation of all events in the world are reletive to an individual's perception of them. So if two people endure "it" and one gets over "it" and the other continues to talk about "it" then is one wrong and the other not? Absolutely not! Exactly! So these emotions help determine how long "it" is a problem. I think that people need to have emotions that they can control, but not in the manner that twi taught. A person needs to be able to not let his emotions rule him but rather allow them to work within him to make him a better person. Certainly one must control the destructive emotions like anger and hate, but the "clingy" emotions like love can be just as devastating. Depending upon how strongly they are expressed and who or what they are expressed to. Kinda like what Dooj said. In the end IMO "it is very good" when we manage to reach a balance that allows us to truly keep His commandments. Which of course includes being weary of false prophets and teachers.

I heartily agree

When I would hurt myself as a child, which I did quite often I would run home to my mommy crying profusely. Upon entering the house the first thing that my mom would say to me was "Quit crying you can't be hurt that bad." And nearly every time she said that she was correct. But when I cut the roof of my mouth off (the first time) in a freak accident she stopped saying that to me. Mom wasn't using it as a club or in an effort to minimize my pain, she really didn't think that I could possibly hurt myself bad enough to warrant that much noise. She unfortunately learned otherwise and I learned not to cry over little things. The point is, sometimes telling someone to "shut up and get over it" is a knee jerk reaction to hearing pain expressed in an audible way. Some people are uncomfortable "hearing" pain. Others just dont believe that people could be in any pain because of the actions of others. An attituded that "words dont hurt" is a common misconception of those that advocate the "get over it" point of view. As you say "when it is used as a club to shut someone up" it can be cruel. But there can be more than one reason that the person wants another to "shut up". Often the pain that one is expressing hits "too close to home" on another, so instead of feeling this pain as well they insist that you shut up. Anyway I think that there is more than one reason for saying "get over it". The forgive and forget teaching of twi was callous and promoted the exact opposite of what forgiveness was designed by God to accomplish. I think that God wanted us to forgive others so that we could be free of the burden of our anger or pain. They after all do not need the forgiveness of any human. If they have sinned they need God's forgiveness. But God exhorts us to forgive others as He for Christs' sake forgave us. Why? So we do not carry unnecessary emotional burdens and perhaps miss out on other blessings that the unforgiven one could have in our lives. (Like a family grudge...not like forgiving VP) Those are some of my thoughts this morning. Edi, that was a pair of amazing posts. Thank you. John, I dont think that I have ever read such an honest post from you. Very enlightening. Rascal, Congradulations on your anniversary!

I'm not really proficiant at the "search" function, it always gives me strange results. And I don't "imbed" pretty but I think this link will work for you Belle. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...hl=317-849-5707 After Larry said that he had just basically cut and pasted John's reply etc...I found it.

So I guess that just dumping some sugar and some tea bags into a container, filling it with cold water and then puting it into the frig isn't considered making a proper cup of tea? No really...I never realized that it was so complicated. I guess you are right, at least when talking about myself, I have never made a proper cup of tea in my life...so it was a lost art. Thanks for the education.

That is awesome! Tell TOD that she is amazing (of course she knows all of that). And and please thank her for her "parental" advice concerning my own road rat, it was most helpful. Please extend hello's to your other wonderful daughter as well.

"Special"? Hmmmm...it was special alright, just not in the manner that some folks believe.

So...Larry, are you implying that John actually read the thread and he asked you to post his answer? Or did you simply tell him about the questions and this is his reply to you? I am pretty certain that John still has a profile here. He used it to post those letters and other stuff some time back. Why would he ask someone else to post his answer? Just asking.

Cover your eyes... You did ask fellow shark Dooj to do the cooking. ^_^

You can't get mad 'cause I didn't apply it to you. :P

Everything or rather anything goes well with mojitos. In fact the more you drink the less picky you are about what you are eating. It's a good thing that Dooj feeds me so well when I come to visit or God only knows what I would have been eating recently. Although I got to tell you this little shark has never had whore with anything...that's just scary! :blink: Soooo....can I get your autograph without getting my tail kicked? Ahhh...gee wiz...you guys and galls sure know how to make a shark blush!

Suda you and Chatty are both just adorable!