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you call my last post an attack? that's funny that you say I'm not getting it..... I'm not on your track, but have been in many ways but don't want to get on it again, can't anymore...

Just wanted to say I'm getting a lot from this thread. Don't have much to add but glad you started it anotherspot.

I've already explained why I disagree with that Larry. I'm not going to keep repeating and rephrasing when you have already said you don't want to hear.

I disagree with that viewpoint and assessment. As far as the rest of what you said, I have no comments for you.

And btw you derailed this thread from Adam and Eve to you. Leaving out much to be learned and seen by all the Adam and Eve's. Though it has turned, while others are seeing more, you are not partaking of the wealth of this place and it's heart. And yes Abigail, I see that edit, respect is a requirement for posting here. Respecting each other. An admonishment to me as well. Anything that is said can be taken to heart by any hearer. Part of the beauty of listening and being 'involved' in a discussion. Whether one posts or not, many are listening.

Larry, I looked at page 3 and saw no insults from me. Or stones cast, as you say. The fact is there are other perspectives. I said your opinion is biased, you said mine was too. I did not respond, that doesn't mean I agree. You took offense with the word biased. My meaning is 'seeing only one perspective, without considering deeply another's'. To which you openly admit on threads. And throwing the shots at people is making you look silly. Does that say I think you are silly? No, it says you just look silly. You think people here haven't dealt with what you have? You just might be surprised, if you give them a chance.

Larry you are a good example of what Romans 1 is talking about. But that's another thread...... Why are you so angry?

Hi Shifra, and thanks for seeing and posting what you see. It's no small task to do that and takes courage. To look at these sections with life in mind rather then what we were told they mean, can open up many perspectives in many areas of understanding. Even all things can change in a few moments or just one. The opening of even one thing can lead to many things being understood better.

Well whatever you are saying there, if it works for you go for it. But I will not be limited by fear of immorality. Or a law that can be misleading in it's meaning. In fact wisdom has been better lately, which may be the 'morality' your saying. But I don't know what you mean by morality. That would be pretty much one's own making imo. Depending on their understanding and wisdom. Which should leave self behind and be selfless. And I'm not saying to not take care of yourself either. Probably have to cover a lot of bases with some......

I would think if one has a problem with Paul saying he was an apostle by the will of God, then there would also be a problem with Jesus saying that 'I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the father except by me'. Truth is every way leads to Christ, if it's followed up to it's end and beginning. Christ is the every way that the flaming sword turns in the garden of God. But Paul, yeah, so much added one must go to God for answers. As well as info from resources sometimes. Mainly listening. Great post btw Danny. Interesting about Timothy, someone wrote it though. WearWord, what's your point about that verse. Is there something you want to discuss or explain or are you making a statement that others are supposed to automatically understand. We all know that verse is there, why are you reprinting it? Curious.... An interesting observation is that if there was Pharisees today, there home is The Way International as well as many "churches". We were trained to be Pharisees. For some it didn't take and for some it did. But on both ends of this spectrum many have broken that enslavement and abuse of themselves and others. And I think Romans 1 is about breaking away from one's self and taking a mirror and getting a good look at yourself. Not about homosexuals in particular but to anyone that can hear what is being said. Taking a good look at yourself and find that life that is hidden in the inner man or woman of course. Usages of man and woman, tend to refer to masculine and feminine qualities in both sexes imo. And not targeting either sex but the individual. This can apply to all the talk about marriage and virgins and other things as well. On the surface it seems to be dictating what a man should do and what a woman should do-or not do for both. When it's actually describing our very nature and spirit and life for each person....in part. Because you will not get it from these scriptures. The Lord must open the eyes to 'it'. Which would be much more then that which we have in print. The person is the home of God, not the bible. God didn't move into a book and live there. He lives in us, that is where the Word is, the Christ. A tough road to go and find it, but worth it. Not that I know much, but enough to know there is always more.

God is constantly communicating with people Larry. It's the Lord's work, so to narrow something down to one definition limits it's potential and energy. It falls to the ground as dead and remains there till life is breathed into it, giving it new life. New life new meanings and new thinking. To try to corner someone into a particular verse that one thinks has only one meaning is narrow minded. There are more meanings then one, there are many and many applications of such words. To try to limit God to a definition is like trying to control what he says. The bible is one source not the all truth. The Word is Truth, and it's more then the bible can hold.

Larry, Are you aware that for the most part your posts are intended to contradict without another alternative? This is the language you are speaking. Like some kind of Jerry Springer show. Instead of presenting anything of value to an individual. Make a point please, so perhaps it can be discussed. And not from the standpoint of what others believe but what you believe. Or continue as you are, for as long as you like. Discussing or arguing or communication involves the person. Involves the person's beliefs as well as what that person does not believe. We can all reference material to debate the reference works. Pitting someone else's work against a person without being involved from the heart is a waste of time. Or you could fancy pitting references against references from all sorts of sources and still have very little. Anyway, this is what I have observed from your first post till now. And certainly allowable here at gsc. But without you then your language is not present, just others. But I do hope there will come a time where speech can be utilized as it was designed to do. As you speak of definitions, there is definitions, interpretations, revelations and more. These are being missed by you, to hear, listen and speak from your mind and not someone else's. And also people do know what they have posted, it's really not necessary to quote and attack. (though it does help if making a point) That is not communicating in any form, but it is an attempt to shut down another. Without even asking what they mean, but using a range of meanings at will to contradict without substance from you. If you want a reference work battle, then the people are not involved. And there is no progress at all. A constant stalemate for you. Peace.

Getting hung up on scrptures is certainly not uncommon. Especially as deep as Paul gets with what he said. If we could look at some particular verses we might be able to handle. That would help, or chapters, whatever. I think things are not what they seem on the surface as well. But with an idea to understand a bit better. And free ourselves from the entrapments that are on the surface of these writings. Which I think are intentional, turning away many who do not want to proceed further. I think of these writings as being coded in a sort of fashion that only the Lord can open the eyes to. Moving on to better things and not held back by the letter, the schoolmaster, the scriptures. Progressing past governing writ into freedom of life and spirit. Which is thought by many to be the way to go and see. Understanding that there are many ideas about these writings. But just letting it come and go, again and again. Bringing peace to the heart and life to the soul. This would be a goal of such an undertaking in my opinion. Certainly Jesus' words can be seen in the same fashion. As many fumble with his words as well. And the rest of the scriptures. Doubt we could hold it all in understanding and wisdom. But just a taste of that freedom that is spoken of in Christ is worth a look.

under the seas below the water swimming around in the word others breath air and not water pneuma is moving above the waters no one is left out things under the earth above the earth all are saved all will be raised all before us have we have yet to see it fully but all will see the angels within and the cloud of witnesses

I see faith as believing something that is real, not necessarily gods. Could be one's own thinking or reasoning. Faith in yourself. Which is not bad imo, but faith or a belief in something.

How would there be culture without faith? No matter what that faith is in, even in one's own mind. Faith in your own ability to judge that which you judge. And who is saying what the "real source" is? They all have different faiths and ideas JUST LIKE YOU. What is your idea of faith? Mine is probably different.

Who said- And no....lol....I'm not offended at all. Just entertained by your confusion.

What is being said is the point of this thread Geo, not that they existed, although they did. Prove you exist.

Just like saying or writing doesn't make you anything either Geo. You don't want proof of anything anyway. Do you.

Well crap, I didn't intend to kill the thread, and hope I didn't. This is one perspective, there are others. ................................

to the pure all things are pure you know good and evil is to know the pureness of what constitutes it good and evil as thought of as two separate things rather then one perspectives really what one would call evil another would call good at it's root it's not good and evil but pureness what is it about ALL all things- 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Eating of the tree is called a transgression-why was it called that for Adam? Necessary to bring in Christ the savior, there was no savior with only knowing good and evil. There is when it is put together with the last Adam. Obscured and divided by so many. One may note that man did not have dominion over the spirit of God in Genesis. Before eating of the tree. It's a tricky deal to have the dominion and to let at the same time. A double edged sword dividing the thoughts and intents of the heart. Which is unseen, invisable and seen only with new eyes. I am the way, Jesus said. A flaming sword that turned Every Way. Christ is that every way, if one looks close enough. Even those who do not call it Christ have spiritual sight. Beyond and including what was written for our learning at times. The times we see, o my God, that's what that it's saying and seeing even more. And the the old DIES and the new LIVES, in THAT DAY. Does the heat and light of that flame make some run? There are also those that turn to look into the eye of the fire, with courage. To know the unknown and see the unseen that is surely there. Just as real as Genesis, It is real now, and the vail is no longer needed.

hey Danny, Without the knowledge of good and evil. How would Adam know to eat of the tree of life. To know what he was eating and why and what to do. And not use this life for himself alone. Adam knew he had to know. This is exactly what happens Now.

noone is taking the tree literally do you know where the garden is? the ability to think includes the knowledge of good and evil. i disagree about pride being the reason sound spiritual thinking would be my pick adam never ate of the tree in the poerspective it was eaten then the tree of life is also the tree of knowledge of good and evil the intents are what makes a difference exposing death that day for what it was though shalt surely die, that day it was known without death there is no life without life there is no death if god knew good and evil then why would he withhold this info and have it happen the way it did adam was not complete, our completeness is in the last adam but without the first the second would be meaningless

Wouldn't God know good and evil? And why wouldn't this knowledge be accessable to Adam? Why would Adam eat of the tree? This ability to do so was there. Who put it there and why? Didn't God come up with the Garden? Why was this tree there?

Think what you want to. Freedom is a wonderful thing when put to good use.