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don't know what i can say more... the inner path to the inner man been right there all along...many paths... a power greater then ourselves is within ourselves all over the bible and life and writings of many all in all, i mean to practically see and do something with it it's evidenced in ourselves in seeing the wind within, one can ride it they have all one breath

right on tonto till one decides to EXAMINE what they were trained in they will will never know

Thanks sirg, i needed that and this post........... how we should help each other is a lost art sometimes then we get it again seeing how we have been helped

This is the type of ignorance and/or failure to have the heart to find the truth that is common. Which was lost in TWI as well as many religious and other groups that say they teach God. It will be brought out in the light with all, in good time-no exceptions. Your question will be answered Larry, like it or not, even the 'atheists' will have answers. Either one's current thinking has to evolve which would include most of it dieing and being reborn. Or after they bury ya. You don't have a choice, it will happen.

Predestined, foreordained and more................. Paul is talking to those that than can hear what he is saying and understand, not to the ones that would not understand, which not understanding something does not exclude one from salvation. Or from having what is spoken of. Lack of the understanding and wisdom behind the terms and heart used leads to degrading them to limited definitions. The terms themselves indicate an unlimited potential. The words in the letters that are being 'discussed' were not written to anyone here. Though that does not mean what was said can't be understood and enjoyed as being to all in the time it takes to meet what Paul said with what is in it's truths as they are realized and seen.

basic Christianity101...... what is that sky4it? to you i mean....

Not really sure what you mean Bramble, but I agree that Genesis is not about the creation of the heavens and earth that we call 'planet earth' and sky and space, stars and the rest.

I think a side question for this thread would be who or what is God. I think it's a broad inward reality in man as well as that which became the Lord God. Moving on the face of the waters-the word-ready for those who come up for air.

Hi Danny, I think that when the time was right, this Supreme God became declared by the one chosen to declare. Just as we evolve in maturity, the scriptures describe this very thing that happens within us. The Lord God breathing life into man and Holy Spirit emptying self into man.

You are mistaken and do not see what greasespot is and does. Though there are those who just want to intimidate control manipulate and start fights. They can have at it, don't bother me any.

I'm not offended Larry. Is that what you want me to be, offended and upset at what you say? pfffft..

It's not exclusive, or narrow, Larry. And it's not a clique as you describe it. We all have different interests, views and purposes. Some cross paths and some don't. Maybe you should look around for more then you are now. The ones that don't think as another do not bother most here. The way people are treated that think differently is the difference, mainly. What you are saying is possibly what you want it to be. Or what you are doing, I don't know.

Sirg, no doubt the body is looking at dust and the mind looks at the body and thoughts look at the mind and what it's thinking, and more higher thoughts are checking out those thoughts. Continuing to an ever widening circle of understanding and enlightenment as it's all being processed and realized. How deep into the universe can we till?

No problem , Danny many that are still living have seen this very spiritual life. Though it won't be on TV or broadcasted to the general public. They would of course think it's nuts. To be able to see, though not as clearly as one would like, that which we are in truth without all this temporal carnal baggage. To search for this, one must look outside of the 'normal' thinking of religion and philosophy and into words that don't appear to be saying much of anything. But they do, right there in plain sight. And when the time comes, either here or after this present life, we will see, and continue to see more.

It seems on forums, conversations don't happen a whole lot. Would like to see more though.

A few years ago I didn't expect to hear what I heard from some posters. Words of wisdom and the heart of the spirit coming out of their mouths. Still happens today. Though they never knew it, their words were moving right along with what I was being shown. We all lead and follow, we are not to be exercising lordship over another. Nor stifling freedom to express one's heart. Picking apart posts is a waste of energy, when what they actually are trying to communicate may not be in the right words for another to understand. And some do understand what is being said.

Yes Abigail, very true. I do believe that whoever we are is up there with the Lord God. Right here, right now. Here in the heavens and earth.

What we see on the outside is not who we are. What exactly happened in Genesis. The 6 days that God did this- 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. and also this- Chapter 2 1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Done by the Lord God. Seems to be worth looking into......... I mean , it's done twice. 1. in his own image 2. a living soul

This is interesting in light of believing, which is interpreted and spoken of in twi/pfal. There is no 'law', there is fruit though, fruit of the spirit. But what do we believe? But any way... John 19:10Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? 11Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. That pretty much kills the law of believing. Wonder why we didn't see this about the woman who killed her child because of her believing. That would be power against someone by one's own so called believing.

This one reason I don't think it's talking about graveyard dead, waiting for some 'return'. In 1 Thess 4. Rom 6:1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Col 3:3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Yeah 'appear'...can continue to appear more and more, magnifying God. Even on and off. At the Lords will, and even as we seek it, we will find. Getting all things new. Physical Death has been defeated, so I don't think It's talking about physical death which is simply changing...again. A mountain of scriptures start piling up I believe.

Made it through the article. Though concerning the different 'comings' of the Lord. 1. As a thief in the night 2. My first post, taking into consideration this article. It seems that most of these people think it is for the whole world at once. Thus ending this present world and beginning a new one for all. I do believe this happens on an individual basis. Not everyone at once. And we will have this dead old man to deal with. As expressed in Matthew. An individual occurrence 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Doesn't mean that the other is left out forever. It doesn't say this. Nor does it say where the one taken is taken to. Or that this is a world wide event including all people. Enter 1 Thess 4 or as a thief. Either one. And the new will be seen, yet there is more to see then at first glance. Considering the mount of transfiguration can be enlightening if it's real. And not some kind of movie made for those that saw it. Both 'as a thief' and 'in the air' do not designate any kind of time interval between them nor does it say that both will not happen to the same person. Concerning the wrath to come. There will be wrath to deal with and escape. We have escaped the wrath to come, does not mean we will not be involved. It is coming. Written plain as day. It says we have escaped it and been delivered from it. But it doesn't say we will not witness this wrath. Our appointment is not with wrath, nor is it something to be afraid of. The spiritual eye seeing the 'flesh and blood' receive this wrath and the enmity, the carnal mind, being abolished before the eye. And the inheritance that is ours and yours that has been promised. Why can it be promised? Because it is already there waiting for the eyes to open to it with new eyes and new ears that can hear and see what Jesus was talking about when he said having eyes and ears you see not nor hear. I think this is John the baptist praising these people rather then reproving them here in Luke. 7Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Which is exactly what is, has and will continue to happen, stones being raised as children. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son 'that would be the individual' also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. -bold print and words put in by me. Italics to point it out... -that God may be all in all- He already is but now it is being seen.............. Even after being awake, one can fall asleep. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

People can only help one along the way. Or hurt them..... All these people can be listened to. But it's what's inside that hears spiritual words. Words that spark and help. And also words that teach us a lot of things. They are in peoples speech when they speak from the heart. For out of the heart............ That's why I like hearing people's thoughts rather then book quoting. Though I've quoted my share of what others have said. Probably will again.

All are saved. Save yourselves is a product of being saved. In other words, you are saved in order to reap the benefits of being saved. (-saved-such a short word for a big deal.) Saved I believe is a bit different then being born again. Which a benefit of being saved is. And I think sky is being 'nice'. What do you mean by 'being nice', horsehead?

I like that article Danny, just caught that edit before I head to work. Thanks.

I believe it says heaven is in us. But not limited to in us. Plenty of scriptures, too many to post. J. the C. pointing it out a few times. Thanks Danny, 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Must be something more. And I do not believe anyone is left out. Spirit is there from the 'beginning'. For some it sleeps within, Dead but full of life awaiting to be awakened. One does not have to die as in graveyard dead to see it. Some will have to thou...... And many things must die in order to see it. Even Now. The temporal that is seen opposed to that which is not seen. But when seen it flows together. "And there appeared" doesn't mean that it wasn't always there.