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It didn't have a damn thing to do with being lazy or not. It was about reading wierwille's books and the bible. A lazy person can read to. But to know something or not know something, DON"T have anything to do with being lazy in this ridiculous commandment that is given to God by a fool.

ahhh yes, the old saying every man is right in their own eyes if we can see through another's wouldn't that be somethin of course its done a lot but misinterpreted sometimes but patience will have it's work and endurance will reap many fruits

for what it's worth i thought you put it well the 'what ifs' and 'is it possible' is a good thinking tool i posted the other side of the coin -what if the opposite is true- not knowing what you were up to..lol so great job on putting it 'in the air' you got quite a few diverse thoughts

one thing is funny about all this- 'we are expected to know' dumbest thing i ever heard

Thanks for that polar bear. In addition- The 5 senses are spiritual. Look up 'saw, seen, hear, heard, felt, smell, taste, incense, sweet savor'. And other words to this effect.

It can not be reconciled. PFAL chapter 18, p. 281, paragraph 2 and here Error 24 In PFAL: Wierwille writes that God can only speak to that which He is, namely, spirit. In truth: Leaving aside the presumptive fact that God can speak to whomever He chooses, whenever He chooses, however He chooses, this statement fails purely on a mechanical basis. In order to communicate with people, God has to do one of two things. He must either come into concretion (ie, use a voice, a burning bush, whatever) or he must place His spirit on or in someone. The spirit then speaks to our minds... but how? If God, who is spirit, cannot speak to our minds, how can the spirit He places within us speak to our minds? And if the spirit within us CAN speak to our minds, why can't God? And by the way, isn't "coming into concretion" in and of itself a contradiction of the statement "God can only speak to that which He is?" The answer is, yes. Further, Wierwille states that unless you have the spirit, God has to come into concretion to speak to you. There's no Biblical evidence to support this. What of God communicating with un-anointed folks like King Abimelech (Gen 20:3) and Laban, Jacob's crooked father-in-law (Gen 31:24) by dreams? Dreams are not in the five senses. Therefore, they are a direct communication from God to the recipient, through their minds, without the spirit. Discussion: Wierwille's thesis is meaningless. God Almighty can speak to anyone or anything. He may have different ways of communicating with different people, but He can speak to anyone.

White Dove, this is what I am responding to and challenging. Let us see this word that is supposedly from God that oldiesman brought up. And dissect it? No, quite a different approach I would take. Which you will see if this 'word of god' ever comes out of oldies mouth. Frankly, I doubt that he will respond to this challenge.

If it was the Word of God........... not written, but lived. Suppose folks will make up their own minds. btw oldiesman, haven't heard any 'Word of God' from you ever, just what exactly is that to you? All I hear is you crying about us. And vpw has or will have to face himself. Just as you, live and real, as well as the Lord.

and who is hating who......... oldiesman? your 'precious moments' in twi are why you can't see they were and are a manipulation of words without a godly purpose to call what we learned 'right' in twi is foolish it's stink weights down and deadens the mind could damn well call it doctrines of demons best thing i did was trash it all and start over it's all burned out of me and my family thank God and the Lord Jesus Christ

getting saved is not a result of anyone's ministry the Lord saves not anyone else's work and the Lord does work through people but when the time comes it's you and the Lord, regardless of the people there is a work and labor of love to be selfless this was not present in 'the way' though a few did know love they were eliminated systematically under vpw and lcm if not directly then through it's structure and implantation it is possible that it's quite more real to the witnesses accounts then one could imagine but that is also possible

I think this is stated well Dot. Which would include what is 'here' and what is 'forever'. You also have 'where', which is a primer for sure. Just breaking it down to a small chunk of your post. Forever for instance, could only be now. The past is not, neither is the future, but now is. Now is forever, if you can follow that line of thought. There is always now...forever.... Even if one was to think back or forward it would still be now. So it kind of answers the question. God comes from now. Simplistic perhaps, but certainly more to ponder in it.

There is quite a few 'what ifs' not even considered. Rather then the standard stories that are thrown about. One can look at a few 'valid' approaches that are still easily entreated. They are not that hard to find if one is free to look.

Not knowing who god lucifer adam and eve are is a major problem for most. The questions are valid, with a surface look at what the bible says. Not that a surface look is not needed, but a place to start.

yeah that one, i like that and more the sense of my language different perspectives yield different understandings and not to leave out one but mixing them

Well..:) i was goin to respond to what you wrote and it's gone haha that's cool....... i understand 5 better, 1-4 is still a work, 6 is somethin else not a part of the subject yet

I like that 5th person on Ezekiel. Makes more sense. Though couldn't ever quite 'get it'. 6th and more is even more expanding space of time...now. Still quite complex, though expanding it to workable. 'The Son of Man' is used in Ezekiel more then any other book. Of which we all constitute. Giving more of a w-i-d-e perspective of who we are and what we are and where we are.

you can't be certain of that ever heard of being caught up? some do know

Can't say I agree with everything they said. Don't matter anyway. I do know for certain you can't opt out of dieing. No choice, sorry. Nor are there things you can opt on after. There was no choice in the first birth. There is and isn't in the next while we live now. Afterwards there is more to come, no doubt. This is what Jesus was saying to Nic. What those folks should have known. And I don't think ole Nic was being sarcastic. Can a man enter into his mothers womb again?

A place and people where everyone dies....hmmmmmm yeah lets do it.

From all the parables Shifra.

Can't tell ya a thing... Can't trust in man Jer 17 And a third was cast to the earth.... Cursed be the ground...dust shalt thou eat Of it all thy days And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground Work that Garden Adam...and he walks out of it Out of the Garden of God-a flaming sword turning every way I baptize you with water but you will be baptized with fire into the Garden of God the tree of life As in Adam all die you must die or no life Give yourself away to have it return again Even so in Christ shall all be made alive He shall appear the second time without sin unto salvation...........

Believe what you want to. It don't matter to me, I'm not in charge. There is powers greater then you and your will. Should one choose to live godly in this life, I'm all for it. The next is not your call. Though this life now can yield to Christ. Or not. Afterwards you are not calling the shots as you might think.

I don't think man can 'free will' himself salvation. That's not our call. Nor do I think man can free will himself out of salvation. It's coming ready or not. Free will is a joke imo, as far as this is concerned. A person didn't will his first birth and can't will the second.

I think the internet and the computer industry has helped more kids in school, through school, and more are graduating because of the technology aspect. Making games or whatever. Don't have any statistics but that's an informed opinion. I mean if we had all this when I was in school I would have done better I think. Of course, seems with every great thing there is a need for self-control and supervision of young ones with these things.

Putting aside the scripture wars. One can see a few ideas that keep coming. That there is something that men can see that others have not yet seen. This idea is throughout the bible even. And it is not that anyone has some special powers. But that there is a special power and something to be seen. Seen in and around us in multiple ways. Yet the source, the fountainhead of it, eludes many. Could argue through a million lives about it. But I won't, I'll just quit fighting it and let things unfold as they come. From all these perspectives of different people. And from what is experienced now which includes the past and present.