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  1. I'll talk with George about it more then I would anyone else. I see what he said, as someone seeking proof, which is what I did in the way. He's not getting any, and neither did I, while in the way. It wasn't until I totally destroyed the ideas from the way that I could see to look for this proof. So it sounds like, to me, by experience, that it's something from the way still hanging in there. And it is binding and blinding.
  2. It's not an insult Oakspear. It's an observation.
  3. Crying about proof George, again. I have proof, but you can't see it, though laid out openly. Sounds like you are still bound by 'the way int.'. In a weird sort of way.
  4. The vow I am paying is to find the truth. And not be sidetracked by fools.
  5. In addition- The woman is not partly responsible for being raped via coercion or the other means they employed. The 'vow' had nothing to do with God. Unless the way and wierwielle is the god. doubled
  6. Ah yes the commitment. Never made one did ya om. You were not there, you do not know. The woman is not partly responsible for being coerced into abortion. The RESPONSIBILITY is those who did the coercion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The commitment was coercion also! And you have no idea of what it is to be pregnant and have an abortion. You do not know anything. So why don't you say some thing you know. Instead of condemning people you know nothing about. And you proclaim that 'anti wierwielle twi' in the twi/wierwielle defense?
  7. Putting everyone in a religious 'pot' that speaks of spiritual things is nonsense. That's not thinking, just reacting to words said. The fact, truth, reality or whatever you want to call it is- there are things not seen that some want to see. True, many go various ways that don't seem logical. And there are those that see but can't be seen.
  8. anotherlink- http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/coercion/
  9. Should have been charged with rape also. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_about_rape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion
  10. No he should have been put in prison oldiesman. He violated the rights of another by coercion. The Law on Coercion in New York Under New York Law, there are two degrees of Coercion (Penal Law 135.60 and 135.65), but the felony crime is defined in the same language as the misdemeanor when the defendant "compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the latter has a legal right to abstain from engaging in, or to abstain from engaging in conduct in which he has a legal right to engage, by means of instilling in him a fear that, if the demand is not complied with, the actor or another will cause physical injury to a person or cause damage to property." The Court of Appeals has twice addressed the uniqueness of the New York Coercion statutes: that the felony of Coercion 1st Degree is identical to the misdemeanor of Coercion 2nd Degree, when the coercion is accomplished by instilling a fear that a person will be physically injured or that property will be damaged. In People v Eboli, 34 NY2d 281, 357 NYS2d 435 (1974), the Court ruled that the fact that identical elements were required did not violate a defendant’s constitutional guarantees of due process or equal protection. The Court reviewed the McKinney’s Practice Commentaries and concluded that, "despite the misdemeanor section, coercion by either of these means, was intended to be prosecuted as a felony." 34 NY2d at 285-286. The Court’s analysis continued: it is likely that despite the verbal duplication in the lower degree, the drafters and the Legislature intended that the general rule be that coercion in the first degree, the felony, be charged whenever the method of coercion was to instill a fear of injury to a person or damage to property. Making the misdemeanor offense "all-inclusive" is apparently a "safety-valve" feature included in the event an unusual factual situation should develop where the method of coercion is literally by threat of personal or property injury, but for some reason it lacks the heinous quality the Legislature associated with such threats. 34 NY2d at 287. That the felony is the presumptive charge when a defendant instills fear of physical injury or property damage is made even more emphatic by the Eboli Court: It seems clear that despite the identity of language, there is a guideline differentiating felony and misdemeanor coercion – in general, the misdemeanor is to be charged where the method of coercion is covered by subdivisions three to nine, and the felony is to be charged if the "additional element" of a threat of personal or property injury is involved. . . . the higher degree would be charged in other than exceptional cases. 34 NY2d at 288 (emphasis supplied). The Court of Appeals next addressed the very issue presented here: when should the lesser included charge of Coercion 2nd Degree be given to the trial jury? In People v Discala, 45 NY2d 38, 407 NYS2d 660 (1978), the Court again emphasized that the usual case involving a threat to cause physical injury to induce a person to do an act the person has right to abstain from, should be charged at the felony level, saying: In Eboli, this court construed the misdemeanor as a "’safety-valve’ feature" and suggested that it was reserved for an "unusual factual situation." [citation omitted] The rationale for this approach is that it would indeed be an exceptional case where the method of coercion is by threat of personal or property injury while at the same time the "heinous quality" is lacking. While a vivid imagination may certainly conjure up a situation where threatening physical injury is not truly fearsome, this would be a rare event indeed. 45 NY2d at 42. . . . . it will be a rare and unusual event for the prosecution to have established coercion by threat of personal physical injury without showing the heinousness ordinarily associated with this manner of commission of the crime. 45 NY2d at 43. In Discala, the Court of Appeals ruled that the trial judge did not err in denying the requested jury charge of Coercion 2nd Degree. Eventhough the threat in that case was made over the telephone, since it was a "proposal to kill or have the victim killed," the Court of Appeals found that "the malevolent nature of the threat is at once obvious," and the requested charge down to a misdemeanor "was manifestly unwarranted and properly denied." Id. Furthermore, the Court said, "fundamentally, the jury should not be permitted to choose between the crime charged and some lesser crime where the evidence essential to support a verdict of guilt of the lesser necessarily proves guilt of the greater crime, as well [citations omitted]. Id. In the instant case, the evidence at trial clearly supports the defendant’s conviction for the greater crime of Coercion 1st Degree. Thus, the trial court properly denied the defendant’s request that the jury be permitted to choose the lesser crime. "A lesser included offense need be charged only when there is a reasonable view of the evidence to support guilt on the lesser count and acquittal on the greater [emphasis supplied and citations omitted]. People v Zuziela, 98 AD2d 161, 471 NYS2d 351 (3rd Dept 1983). Refusal to submit the lesser charge of Coercion 2nd was upheld where the threat of personal injury involved the display of a handgun, the Court noting that the alleged threat was "particularly heinous, involving being shot by a gun, and, thus, his action constituted coercion in the first degree." 471 NYS2d at 352. The Third Department ruled in People v Pereau, 99 AD2d 591, 471 NYS2d 416 (3rd Dept 1984), that the trial court acted properly in refusing to charge the lesser included offense of Coercion 2nd Degree. "To be entitled to the charge of the lesser crime under the second prong of the test, it was incumbent upon defendant to show a reasonable basis in the evidence for finding him not guilty of the felony coercion and guilty of the misdemeanor of coercion. . . . . such a lesser charge should be reserved for the unusual factual situation where the method of coercion is by threat of personal physical injury which for some reason lacks a heinous quality." 471 NYS2d at 418. The threats in Pereau were made by brandishing a knife and holding it against the victim’s body. In neither Zuziela nor Pereau did the defendant express in words that he would kill or injure the victim. But in both cases, the threat to do so was amply communicated by his displaying a weapon. The same applies to the instant case. As in People v Wager, 228 AD2nd 741, 742, 644 NYS2d 74, 75 (3rd Dept 1996), "the events giving rise to the offense of which he now stands convicted evidence a wanton disregard for the safety and well-being of his victim, and a willingness to impose his will on others by force."
  11. trying to break the language barrier the belief barrier the sound barrier the light barrier those 5 are seen in all languages beliefs and speech or can be when looked for, quite easily i've seen wonder what it takes to shake the tree loosen the soil up for growth to get water to where it's needed nutrients to move I am becoming....always something.... a chance to see it happening from many points take a sledge hammer and put your faith on the anvil and smash the hell out of it and see what will not break the anvil is nothing neither is the hammer if nothing breaks
  12. Rather then breathing we become the breath.
  13. Certainly we judge. And when we are judged, do we have a say? And this is a good report of current states of thinking. What kind of God? Good question. If one don't like their current one, perhaps it's time to look elsewhere.
  14. As do most people I believe anotherDan. I don't see much difference. Because this was said or done- I believe this or that and so I do this or that. But it's what was said and done that is missed and the result magnified. Rather then gathering more info before making a judgment or action. Atheist or Christian or anyone else. To make up one's mind on another's word is folly. Be it the bible or whoever. It just might have a different implication and we just might not be hearing. Or seeing what there is to be seen.
  15. yeah...no derail here..... this is -becomes -becoming what the first post speaks of imho..... up and down the scaffold - or side to side if one likes... don't matter what part, just trying to see more parts some we like more then others-just life in general...
  16. I'm sure Todd will be along soon TGN, but I think 'is' ain't too bad. If it's thought of as something that is a roadblock or stopsign, then yes another term should be employed. Like 'I AM' does not indicate limits to me, though it might to another. I become or i will become or that's quite becoming :) sounds cool too though.
  17. VPW didn't know anything about what he called devil spirits. Neither do you Mike. You are so easy to pop up. Heck, and predictable too. You would never believe what it is that has so many preoccupied that it is right there in their face. But God has sent them strong delusion that they should believe a lie. Yeah God does this for some. Look it up it's in post number...I mean a verse in the bible that you hate so much. Have fun playing with yourself, no one else will participate to your indulgences here. But keep on speaking yeah, we learn a lot from the 'what it is not' approach. Not much but enough to see a few things.
  18. cman

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    Wow, Paw, you hit the nail on the head. 'white screen of death' Ha! And thanks for more ideas Bramble. Sometimes it's burning in me to write something. I can see it in my head but can't quite put it intelligible form. Sometimes I have dreams that are full length movies, they seem, and want to write them down. I guess really the old paper and pencil is a good place to start as well. Motivation is another aspect that haunts me. I need to be selfless and not for any reason but to put it down on a medium of some sort. So I can look at it, and not for any sort of money profit, but self exploring and expression really.
  19. cman

    y write

    I've been thinking about doing some writing and/or journaling and looking for the basic ideas and concepts that go into this kind of expression. Any real basics that anyone can provide, or more would be appreciated. Found this software and have played a bit, but seem to be stumped on the 'mind to print' deal. http://www.spacejock.com/ All but one program is free and very good imo.
  20. and that's for u pfalmike, not any one else
  21. You are the derailer mike. why don't you stay on subject, and deal with the posts on topic instead of yourself you will not address the issue i have in every post as well as others afraid you might 'see' something?
  22. http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index....&spanend=73 http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index....&spanend=73 http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index....&spanend=73 http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index....&spanend=73 http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index....&spanend=73
  23. found em they call themselves 'death fighters' which is really a game for one of those systems but they came on that board looking for followers
  24. you will die also Mike ----------- there is a group out there that thinks they won't might want to look em up saw em on another board but can't remember the name i try and find them
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