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Sorry, whitedove, you are not the authority on integrity of other people. Just take care of your own integrity and everyone else does the same. You can judge others but your judgment can be disagreeable to whoever wants to disagree. I do not agree with your standard of integrity.

Exactly-demanded it and dictated it, yeah, very correct whitedove. What they said the Word says anyways.

lol! I think that's a nice way to put it. The 'ad hominum' type of speaking is usually a personal attack. But not in every case of using it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominum I was surprised I did one and had to look it up! :)

haha...lol...rascal... kids the same way yeah...:) ain't that the truth, mine too...

I think most of us have reacted in a manner not fitting the no personal attack policy. It' hard not to call someone a liar sometimes. I reckon I've done it a lot and in the top 10 of calling someone a liar. It's hard not to sometimes when it's obvious they know they are doing it too. Which makes it a lie. At least it's obvious to me. But telling a lie is allowed on this site. And by me saying someone is not telling the truth (or facts...whatever), I mean they know it too And can point it out. And people have clever ways to disguise these lies. Can we point these out? As well as clever ways to disguise personal attacks. Can we point these out also? So it's the honest ones that can be more clever. And even quit posting if need be. I do appreciate what you are saying Paw. Report the posts as needed. I suggest include what is in the post specifically and why. As I just stated in this post. There is that option in the report deal. As popular as this site has become, I'm sure it's hard to police. Most of us-imo-want this to be more positive and productive. Which includes getting into some deep dark corners, exposing 'negative' stuff, and lies, which is some serious business. And in part of the nature of GSC, in telling the other side.

You apparently do not know rascal, pond.

The only integrity of anything lies within the people involved. Their honesty and willingness to admit wrongs when needed or to get it out. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/%20integrity The bland definition, but seen in practice it is quite the sight to behold.

And thanks rascal, I believe many got it in the first post, but i don't know how many. Even if things get off topic, the first post still remains.

Trying to push buttons Bumpy? I doubt if it will work. No one has claimed that waydale and greasespot are the sole reason for anyone exiting twi. I didn't find waydale till after I left twi. And then Greasespot began. It has helped me in many ways. Ways that can not even be put in words. Am I stuck here? No. But by choice I visit and post. Much different then the intentions and tactics of twi involvement. There are no tactics here to keep people listening or posting. Except whatever lives in your own thinking.

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WE have the records, like it or not. Too bad so sad that you are so mad. A lot of pro stuff from the way has been posted and not 'dismantled' as you say. Are you aware of all that is posted here. No. You are just trying your best to start a fight.

More accusations against someone that never happened whitedove. That's just what you are seeing in your mind. No one deemed anyone unworthy. Unworthy of what anyway? And yes there is freedom. Freedom of speech.

Including you Mike. And not excluding me either.

hmmmm...fair and balanced..... so what's twi's side of the story whitedove? do you know?

GSC is here to help us and those who listen from twi or anywhere else imo. I don't know what people think.....mostly. The honest ones will be honest. The only mind I can control is my own. So I do what I can to have self control. So that the spirit can be heard and seen.

that is your opinion, a biased one at best and not true you underestimate me You can be seen by how you see others plain as day mirroring and projecting yourself onto others well, I reject your reflection

When a victim's testimony is accompanied by others it is enough to convict in a court of law. Google that and find real cases that were documented. Such is the cases here.

alleged to you googles reference and those were not the only things talked about And it's not what I wish it to be. Itr is what it is. It boils down to what you believe. To which you have made it impossible for anyone, even God to show you. But your will will not be stronger then god's. The end and a new beginning without all the garbage. Documentation-read Revelations You will have to destroy what twi put in your head to read it and get anything from it. Which would be true about most scripture as well as Holy men of God who speak in these days.

that day may be sooner then you expect in fact i know you will not expect it and it will open your eyes to love the man's judgement and His day that's twi bs-pitch it cuz twi has no idea what judgement is

No, sorry, no dice. It's not made up. These are not accusations but what actually happened in doctrine and practice. Call The WayInternational and ask them yourself. Why are you bothering with these people here when it's them who are in question for you. You don't believe what's documented here-or say you don't, saying it's heresay. When it's not heresay, when it's the person that experienced the abuse. Go talk to the abusers. Why don't you do that? I'm sure you all will get along fine. One does not have to be charged with a crime through the law for the crime to exist. Simply put I believe the accounts and documentation of the abuse. I have talked with some who have been so abused. And I have spent 20 years with twi. It is quite apparent in their doctrines and practices. A convenient LARGE loophole that they sanctified and said it was of God. It is NOT. It is an oppurtunity to abuse from the very start of being involved in twi. Go join them, if you haven't or just stay with them if you are. But I have found no liars from the abused when it comes to this abuse that was administered from the top down in the corrupt organization called The Way. Your "verdict" or opinion is different. So what, welcome to life, if you can handle it.

Being anonymous is a key spiritual ingredient to godly help sometimes. Especially in cases like this.

I think the intent is very clear Jeffjo. This is what happens when a wrong doing is voiced. The stats of these kinds of crimes are incredible and fit the profile of twi. Make no mistake about it, these were crimes committed whether filed in court or not. And I would not ask anyone to say what happened to them. It's their decision and because of the current active speakers on this board I'd advise them not to. But if they can take this kind of heat then I wouldn't and couldn't stop them. It's the person that needs help. It's Not a forum to satisfy the unsatisfiable. And there are those here that know without a doubt. Or can be called upon to help. I know a few....which is more then 3 or 4.... The stories have been told and will again. Because it happened and still is happening. Some of twi's newcomers will be so abused. It's in their doctrine and practice. God help them.

A lot of things are here at GSC in black and white too. Go look them up or shut up. But no you would rather make war then have answers and actually help people. Anything else you say I will consider putrid. Because of the intent behind it.

No not in any way form or fashion do I agree with you. You want to twist words to your own satisfaction. That still will not change the facts and the truth. The data is here, I'm not going to do the work for you. And you are trying to get me off balance, sorry, no deal. Others better then you have tried to no avail.

some piece of work there whitedove you really are screwed up yeah there's a few that spoke up that tells me there is more if u had any common sense i'd explain it stupidity is your game though and I've spent enough here and that poll is no indicator if i had my say it would not be there