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Ok, We are cool i hope.

I am not doing that Bluzeman. Is that what you want. Perhaps I read the posts wrong. I Don't Know. That is why we communicate. I don't mind being corrected and seeing the heart of the matter. I spoke what I saw, right or wrong. I've been both.

Then what are you saying WordWolf. Are you asking for chapter and verse. Are you saying to put 'doctrinal' comments in the doctrinal section. Can a person speak the word without having a required proof? Even if it isn't the word, isn't one allowed to speak freely? The bible itself makes claims. Yet they are not sought out, as well as the words of many. Seeking for truth in them and that takes a change of perspective. On the part of the hearer as well as the speaker in all matters. The Way's long reach even effects us in dealing with new sight. The Way's way did not work in the way, it will never work. Going by what is seen instead of that which is not seen. If we seek out the unseen, which is what we must do, we have to turn our sight a different direction then it now faces. Words are not heard because they are not seen. Not looked into from outside of ourselves, to receive an idea and ideas. To see what another sees is a gift of God. But only the outward appearance is dealt with. Instead of the heart. The blinders seem to be still on tight. How is it that anyone heard the word of the Spirit of God. Before the damn bible?

And do you not know what the bible says? Does it need a word for word explanation? Or perhaps a 'this is what this section's saying' speech. Why can you not hear the words of another and hear the word in you at the same time. Do you require proof of statements from the Bible or the Spirit within? Something about where you baptized by the works of the flesh or spirit. You want scripture? And the works of it? Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The moderators are free to move this thread as they choose. It is not my problem or cattcar9's problem. If anyone has a problem with it, take it up with the moderators.

A good way to put it waysider. Though the reasons and feelings of leaving vary a bit among us. Very good explanation of what 'the way' is and was. Though I'm sure there are plenty like it. Seems cattcar9 can see a bit of what she went through, seeing us here. Controlling religions or cults are not uncommon. Though twi took it very far.

By mind games I mean figuring it out yourself instead of it being shown to you from within. Which puts a twist on the word 'you' and needs to be clarified. Therte are a lot of you's that think when they should not and should think when they don't. But such is the experience of life. How can we renew our minds without being shown the choices? Romans 12 1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. We present ourselves as living sacrifices. Which is holy and acceptable. Not being conformed to this world-but another. To prove to ourselves that it is not ourselves. Verse three is mighty plain. Question is, how are we to think of ourselves? Think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. And the adventure to see it, cause faith has substance, something real. Being 'elite' or gifted, in a group, is not of ourselves. More closely because of the group and it's contributions. And that title, or whatever you want to call it. Does not put anyone above anyone else. Nor does it say that anyone else has something you don't. As far as the word elite or related words. Other people consider some elite, but not to say they have something others don't. Together we make a difference. Alone will not affect anyone but the one alone.

Hi cattcar9, This is what I believe to be the very thing and most important naturally occurring event and events that should be taking place in more then one medium. Be it face to face, internet communications, preferably live chat or talk programs, and other mediums available on the net. As well as phone converstations. These things are severely lacking in our lives and one of the greatest inhibitors of expanding our thinking as a group and within ourselves. Not that we should be forced to change a thing in our minds, but that we, and I mean WE are a very important ingredient in MAGNIFING God. Cause the more open hearts there are, the more our God can be seen. And even if there is no belief in God what can be seen and WILL be seen will be profitable. Whether it strikes a positive or negative note in us. Or a sound we would never have heard without opening up honestly in some way to each other. ---------- And these comments in this post does not negate anything you said, but rather a different perspective and avenue of not being alone, and furthering that which we or an individual would like to progress in or just be with honest people who will not be there to argue but contribute. These things are on my mind and further enhanced by a recent phone call. I'm telling you we need each other in many ways. No matter what one believes or thinks. We need to be able to speak and be heard. And we need to be able to listen and consider. It happens with many things, can we do more. I think so, and it would help in many ways we haven't even seen yet.

Without renewed mind being powered by God, it's just mind games.

And when man - self has been left. Selfless. Then there is the opportunity to hear truth. No man can see God and live. The man must die. Romans. And the Spirit raised to life. Awakened out of it's sleep. Thessolonians. It's wisdom touching the hearing ear, the seeing eye. Here and Now. Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.-Jesus. And the man must rest until it is awakened again.

No prob...takes me a while to get to things as well. Life's little quirks I reckon.

And the elect are elected to serve. 13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

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For a 'christian' to think of being 'elite' is not Christ. Or anyone else for that matter. Any person spiritually speaking.

Well it is good to hear from you cattcar9. You make some very needed comments and suggestions. Even with the nature of some of the horrendous deeds of men. God is there. No we will not figure it all out in this life- the whys and what fors and how come. Fortunately this one is very small in comparison to the life in us. Yet to be fully discovered and won't be in the next either. To be known as we are known, is that so hard a concept to grasp? This is one of the things we will KNOW and grow up to. Progress and awaking and enlightenment, involves some dark corners and places. The God that we are in and the God that is in us is the same. Just take a breath to 'see'. To see that the very God who created darkness is the one that will be the light to shine out of it. Burning with a scorching white hot heat of love to change himself which is us. The presence of the spirit is to make known itself. And it will, cause there is no escaping the fire. And there is no escaping the clear pure water of life. And the Tree that yields it's healing fruits in every season. It resides in us and all around us. It's happening even as we speak. The unseen God can be seen in us because he is us. God's will is for us to see. When will others dare to make it their will? How much do you want to take, messing around with foolishness? We SAW the crap in twi and continued till we were full. Is that not God's doing? The depth of the severity of ungodliness. Is it not so that we can fully see. Or do you want to see it again and label it something else? Didn't we get a good enough picture of MEN? Why not give and let ourselves be shown instead of being self made 'christians'. Let us be made into what we are inside. And can be cause it's always been there. Always, it never has left. The words of the spirit will soon make their way to your ear. It's very nature will soon be seen...in part. With your hand in his, there is nothing we cannot see and handle. It's been coming, is coming and will continue to. It cannot be stopped by any man's will. That will melt before his face. And naked you shall return to the spirit that brought you forth. And these things can happen now to the extent we are willing to hear and see. Soon you will have to, no choice. It will be good, we are not to be afraid. But we will be, and it will pass also......

Why is it called a law. Anyway, I choose to believe things based on very different things in general. Either by some one speaking or experience or something coming together in my mind. And not limited to those things either, because I don't want to. So based on a law of believing statement, could you clarify what you mean please. Thanks.

And I'll add this which i posted on another board. With some editing. It's not surprising to me to see light and dark and all the colors in between within one person. Not that I've seen them all in any one particular person, or even myself, which I still explore. It is the one and selfsame spirit, light or dark, or loud to a whisper, it the same spirit. There is only one spirit. Call it soul or karma or chakras(which are 7 but 1)whatever pleases in order to get the bigger picture. One thing that stands out the most here this day is that of "projection". Projecting one's self onto another. Or in other words seeing what we think is happening in another when it happens or happened in you as well. And interpreting it as the actual now that is occurring. It's one hell of a bastard to watch within ourselves and to keep CONTROL of our minds, in order to let things be made known unto us from within and from within another. We are all one. There is no other. There is no demon that you have that I don't. There is no angel that you have that I don't. We are gods on the edge of sanity and insanity. Yes I have used other people's words to convey or get across ideas which are formulated by words. The words escape me at times, though the idea is there and real enough. I am not an eloquent speaker, though at times rivers of living water do flow out of my mouth, as it does for everyone. Even if they don't recognize it, some do. Here is a great list of quotes from people all over the world that have made them public. They are not there for an arguement or for reasoning through, but for reflection. Those I get help me, others I don't get, so I pass them by. and perhaps later I will see what was said. Even if that is not where I'm at. quotes.zaadz.com/ If one has left their own mountain, their own doctrine, their self. Other mountains can be seen from the 'air'. And as always, we can land on any mountain we choose. They all are us. and we are his and his is ours. and when flying so high, do not let another who is also flying bring you down. But finding a way and ways to synchronize a flight together with others is the heart of that mounts with wings as eagles. Soaring in the heavens, not to be taken out by landing in hell either. Cause it happens. It has to. To take the flight further. And the higher into Heaven, the deeper into Hell.

I'd say that for the most part the experience for me has been one of 'where and who is God'. Not finding God in the many books that we were to learn and master and take them further. Not finding God in the disciplining myself to follow the 'leaders'. Not finding God in any kind of 'like minded' thinking based on the two above. Not finding God in the many study tools that we used either. A big what it is NOT, stands out as my twi experience and involvement. Withour twi, I would not have known that. Without twi I would not have read as much scripture. Which borders on whether I really needed to or not. But I did and thankful that I read it. Cause these days they come to mind occasionally. Finding God meant letting go of all these mind matters. To let go of definitions and another person's idea of God. To let go of the books and constant barrage of what someone else thinks I should think. To quit fighting the growing hunger for Truth and let myself go. Letting myself go after the real questions of God and Jesus Christ. Certain ones just kept hanging on and would not go away. What is being born again. What is eternal life. Where is God, heaven, hell. Until this hunger drove me out of twi, knowing that the answers were not there. I find this place, GSC, the wilderness I called my own in a sense. And this was the wilderness to search through to find some answers. And sure enough it was found. Or rather an adventure in finding and seeing. Cause of a few words unrelated to my search directly. Words that mixed with the tongue of the Spirit awakened my Spirit within. Words from the living spirit in another and in others that were not aware. Like seed sprouting and becoming a seedling, a sprout. The sprouts of wings to fly in the air in the spirit. Doubtful that this was real, and in the wisdom I thought I had. I tested it, holding on to previous thought like an anchor. Soon finding that my previous thought had to be released. in order to soar the heights of heaven and the depths of hell. Hell which is needed to burn off the self, the ego, the pride, all those things that are against the very nature of God, the works of the mind trying to make itself something. Can still descend into hell and ascend into heaven at His will. Leaving my will behind and entering the will of God. Which is in us all and all of us in it. Casting off the chains of bondage to books and self. I could then let go and quit fighting the Spirit which had been willing all along. So the way and it's ways have proven a big 'What it is Not'. While casting it off, soon freedom became to be realized. Although in doing so, the door opened to what it IS. A true freedom beyond what I myself could ask or think, but according to the will and doings of another, a comforter, the holy spirit could be seen, by it's will not mine.

Can you be more specific bliss, Like In what format did you start making the file, what did you change it to and what with. And now what type of document is it. Extensions please. And specific programs used. Perhaps I can help. Also are you using ie7 or firefox. And how or what do you use to upload your files.

I wouldn't and will not allow whitedove in my mind. Not anymore. He's just trying to push buttons imo. I think he's wrong and knows it, but nothing else he wants to see. Again, my opinion, which is worth more then anyone elses. Except my friends.

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Back to the subject of the topic, can any one comment?

Or is that why you did those posts, to get someone upset huh? Didn't work. 'They' were wrong with the word in what they said and did. Is it the reason to make such posts on a thread that obviously was not intended to praise twi. Any good came from individuals rather then the doctrine, it came from hearts of true goodness in some folks.

The remarks were factual and true whitedove, they were not an attack against you like you just did. but statements of truth. Maybe I should report your post, for name calling. Or just wait till you see for your self one day.

Yeah, skyrider, that's the point. His pov is not everyone's, and whitedove may not see that as fact and truth. In the way, everything was one way. It's not true there are many ways of thinking. And we have that freedom to decide for our selves what integrity someone else has. We do not need it dictated to us anymore like in the way.