cman

Yes there is life after death now. In answer to the book's question. Here's a little bit of history about a 'return of Christ'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_of_Christ So rather then looking and finding answers now. Many are tricked into waiting for some event that is not going to happen.

I find it misinformation, not enlightening at all Preacher, There is no mention of any "Return of Christ" in the bible, for one. The conclusions drawn by other men do not lead me. The Hope is in us and will not leave us. The coming of Christ is certain and an individual experience-dead or alive.

Psalm 24 1The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. and Psalm 23 1The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. from David.........

The most feared word-death. Is it the end or the beginning? Why question that which you will know? Is it because of yourself or others. For the continuance or the finality of life. Is this the only two choices-life or death. Or is death something different. Some say it's figurative, used so much in the new testament. I don't think so.

The tongue of the spirit would be in your language Vickles. Twi, didn't even get close to what it does and how it works. Not that I know it all, but there is men and women who speak. And their words are spiritual words, even if they don't know it. Furthermore there is a difference between tongues of men and angels. And both, spoken with love edify the person, body soul spirit. All one, not separated.

I'm not challenging your belief, but what you believe about others beliefs. How do you determine what is , as you stated or what is really happening. And would the explaining of a true experience be in a spiritual manner. Speaking of spiritual experiences would require the tongue of the spirit. And as you said about 'the interpretation' it would require the ears and eyes of the spirit. There are plenty of examples. But if one goes by the written word alone. The spiritual ear and eye that is now will not hear, being as dead as the paper it's written on. Relying on documents from years ago rather then what is moving now. Comparing new and new would be better then comparing to what has already been done. And not that it would eliminate the old but rather bring it to life new and now and living. Should one decide that the ear and eyes of the spirit are not written in a book but lived. Experiencing it's variables in unique ways, discovering new things in the old that are done even now. To hear and see in a new perspective isn't easy. If as we were taught, that God is some force that is separate from us. Then there would not be any subjective experiences at all. It would all be external, still a separation of 'God' and man. Which has never been true.

What about the ones who can explain Oakspear. Would it be in a fashion that you could hear and see? What if it's not- 'entirely subjective and is influenced heavily by pre-conceived notions and tendencies' What if what some experience really happened and happens? And they didn't expect it or believe it themselves till in it? Would it be possible that one could experience God inside and out. Both subjectively and objectively. In other words there would be no where to hide. In a spiritual experience.

"......all spiritual pain is ultimately related to the values of forgiveness, meaning, relatedness and hope......" -Sacred Art of Living Those who have looked up some of this stuff know a bit more. and those who are willing to to face this pain or suffering will reap the benefits of the glory one must be honest enough to to say 'i don't knoe' or 'i can't see it' in order to look for answers or find the knowledge they seek we can trick our mind into not facing the true realities that lay before us or slowly start looking around at what is really happening to us and in us and with us cause if we don't, the state of the mind will panic or end in depression hopelessness, bitter detached from most everything, and rather po'ed ya know? why is it that we look at the things seen and evaluate the unseen by that? shouldn't it be the other way around? or a mixture, like paul said - tongues of men and angels..... there is no religion, belief or standard that we have made ourselves in the end only one holds the keyS and they will be used to unlock the healing that is so neccessary those four things cannot be outwitted, out gunned or out smarted they are with us to stay and there isn't a thing anyone can do about it they can be surpressed and ignored but they won't go away...... they will be faced head on with love i wonder if anyone looked up the 12 proverbs? the twelve rungs, there are sets of 12 also..... 12 is used to frame our thoughts so that they can be released from the frame though it just really widens as the eyes open more i do hope the four winds blow and those seals be opened up more the one who sealed us is the one to open them filtering in, and finally pushing out from inside sneaking in as a thief and the storm coming out a painful birthing process, so to speak but soon to be joy that a child is born just sayin, soes ya might get an idea of what to expect

Well, there's another 'poll' I'd say. And yeah the four, a compass that is used all the time yet not recognized as actual inner workings of space of mind. The quest-ion-s, the issues of the heart, 4 for the earth, man, soul.

Hi Rachel, I wasn't really thinking of step one. Though it would fit in here somewhere I'm sure. Everything is connected in one way or another. Todd and Roy, Thanks, I'll have to get back on this soon. You both put lots on the table. But right now I'm at work, a different table I reckon. Yeah I suppose 'gauge' would be quite limiting. But I didn't mean it as some sort of up or down. But actually quite a few directions and places. None really of themselves being more then another.

Did I kill a thread again? Need some spiritual relief for this pain and suffering. Is it all like we were taught? We honk the friggin horn? We start the car, we do it all? Or is there something that can be done- beyond ourselves....... :ph34r:

To me it (the poll and more then the poll-what it activates in the mind) is a sense of self expression. And how we see ourselves being expressed from outside of that expression, demeanor, manor of thought, ways of relating, and many such terms. How do we do with 'freedom'? Freedom of thought and awareness. I think it's unlimited. But do we see ourselves as unlimited in expression and thought? Though we wouldn't know a limit till we hit one. Then the poll makes some sense. What is it that hinders binds and stops us. What is it that let's us be more free in many aspects of life. Kind of a freedom and bondage gauge. And exploring rather then a right or wrong approach. Because I think it's just not that black white but as colorful as Roy's post. Which I loved by the way, certainly expressing a wide spectrum of spiritual pain and suffering. Which is not wrong to go through, every one does I believe. It's just suppressed at times. And that's right too. Cause sometimes it has to be and sometimes it needs some room to breath.

I'm not sure many know what you are saying Sirg. I could use a few lessons myself. Here's some links to read to get ideas. But mostly these ideas will come, and have come from those ready to give them. http://www.google.com/search?q=spiritual+p...lient=firefox-a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_and_nociception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nociceptor http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=spir...pain&gwp=13

I don't think that question was in the poll okie.

Interesting poll Todd. I'm in the middle on the first two and somewhat high on the rest. Is that crazy or what? Maybe I'm just waiting for something... I don't like doing that. Rather be doing it now. A good way to look at myself I think. As far as the poll gets me thinking. Thanks.

aha, found it- It was PAUL AND COMPANY BEING ACCUSED I think at any time in one's life, how God seen, is not coincidence. And being more aware of God brings light and magnification. By his doing we are shown. And our ability to look. Thus progressing to seeing more clearly. And that would obviously bring different perspectives of God.

People kill people. Whatever you think about God will change. Guaranteed. A promise of Light. A promise of being enlightened. A promise of transformation. And a few thousands more. These will be kept. No one can out will this power. It's greater then us yet it is us.

Yeah, catt, even the Corinthians I think it was were saying 'let us do evil that good may come'. Looking that up can shed a bit of light for some. I'm at work right now and no time. Misunderstanding the reality and illusion of evil and how it happens. and why. Misunderstanding what you are trying your best to communicate. Then there is to the pure all things are pure. Just takes a bit of the spirit showing us how this is true. Best hang on to love, cause it's a hell of a ride. Let's let peace rule, we are all going to know. And continue to grow in wisdom. In this life and the one to come. Which has come, is coming and will come. - one more thing we as humans misunderstand or mistake intents this must be taken into consideration with all

potato and others who care to listen.... God doing something includes being the cause of it indirectly though knowing. As we do things and cause things to happen also. And where is this God acting from. Where is his base of operations? We are in him and he in us. Nothing is separated from man. Light and darkness anmd God and the Devil. It is the God of the Hebrews and the God of all. Can you see how as it says that - Light shined out of darkness? Corinthians somewhwere I think. And also there is no darkness in him? He is both and all. A one way view is limited to one way. Just a word study on these key words can open our eyes. darkness light life living death dieing dead sickness and related words And to see how these things were done, handled and the outcome. Everyone has all those words I listed. One could find out more of what we are inside. Even have an inside out party. To see that God and the Devil are not separate entities from ourselves. Neither is anything, cause it's all been put in us and with us. As a side note also- if God is spirit then what is the word for spirit? in him we live and move and have our being without him we would not be But what would God be? God's doing.... It's actually already been done- if one can think that wide and broad ----- rhino, i think she meant that if you don't believe what she is saying then that is fine, no problem, what you believe is not wrong either you are free to believe whatever you want to she never accused you or anyone of being wrong just pointing out our own selves who we are is not wrong believing anything will boil down to truth eventually cause all is of God

potato, No she wasn't, it was about the results no matter what negative thing comes your way. The things seen by way of your own perspective not hers. In the beginning was God, He is the source but not the cause. Those vary, although at the root you can see God. Where it started. Looking at troubles and things in a more godly light. Rather then good and evil, god and the devil. Which are both in us. We bring out the good and godly in the face of evil. Everyone has stories of the bad. I do, you do everyone. What are we to do about it? Then we begin to to be free of those things. Don't blame the snake for biting. It is what it was designed to do.

She did not try to change anyone. She stated and explained another view. In every post she behaved well and did not push a soul into anything. But some know what she was saying. And what works in some hearts, may not be the same working as the one who was speaking. But there is ONE SPIRIT. And her words stirred the spirit of some. To know ourselves and our spirit. Whether we agree exactly with what she said or not. That don't matter. What matters is PROGRESS. This happens with many all the time. ----------- Thanks for posting cattcar9. I'm ready for more. And whenever you are, I'll be around. Love, cman

You asked questions and was involved WG. Why do you call it a sermon? Just because we are talking about God? Isn't that rather ridiculous? Disagree all you want, call it a sermon. It's insulting to you. This is just what cattcar9 was saying. Events and things let us view ourselves. If we look. And possibly change. You will anyway.

Well shoot why is anyone saying anything or listening? We ARE witnessing our own words as well as others? I think perhaps a dictionary or thesaurus might be useful for that word. First hand accounts is witnessing as well as just speaking with one another about stuff. And why do you want to put anyone down with that comment? This is you witnessing yourself. Perhaps read the whole thread again. I see questions asked and questions answered. But the answers do not suit some, or are not understood. But why try to to make it what it is not? I'm going to talk as well as anyone else wants to. And listen to what someone says, and ask for clarification if I don't get it. Welcome to Life. Seems you are at least listening to this witness and witnesses.

Yeah blame Adam. Not God, of which not many understand. Not that we blame God but this is the human condition. Adam made it better-believe it or not. Show me on e scripture that says what Adam did was the 'fall' of man. As so many say. And whether we have diabiates or anything else. It's how we deal with these things that matter. We will all die of something, that is certain. Genesis is just plain misunderstood. Perhaps some time we could explore the other possibilities. And yes God is Love and Love is God. No matter what we are dealing with. The perceived good and the natural course of life and death and life. And btw, we are all dieing. And will. In the same boat, ya know. The last enemy to be destroyed. Heck, how Are we dealing with the present ones. We Are Told to LOVE our enemies. Figure that one out and get a new smile. :) How many things are recorded that these men and women who spoke the word endured. What was their response? What was God's response? Both the same.

you know when it's really looked at. It has been people speaking the word in the bible. Most of the books have peoples names on them. One must listen to see if the one speaking strikes a spiritual chord within. And I don't mean just more head knowledge to acquire. But words spoken that activate the spirit. Yes it will be new at first and even frightening possibly. How to recognize this would be in the individual. Not of 'ourselves' but still within us. Words that are beyond the human self and touching something else inside. And there are people that can recognize the tongue of the spirit. And speak in the spirit. As we know. The bible-written by men. If it is a man to man communication, which it is in part. Then very little is to be gained, but the start or basic knowledge of the words written. But I believe it is a spirit to spirit communication, still one spirit. And these spiritual words will be understood as we are given the understanding and wisdom. Also not to be stopped or hindered by one understanding but to grow in understanding and wisdom. A progression which continues into more and new things as well as redemtion of the old. Keeping that which is to be kept. We are given it, it is not our doing, And there is also spirit to spirit, one spirit, communication among people. Of which is the very ingredient that I'm trying to point out. To let go and just reflect and consider. No Decision is being forced. Just a chance to see and decide for yourself. If it is godly, there are no strings attached. But the endeavor and hunger for more persists. Or can be forsaken..........