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A question is not an accusation.

For the record, no one has pm'ed me about wd. And I have not pm'ed anyone about him. Though I registered a 'report' to the mods on one occasion about wd. Anyway, the fact is wd 'seems' to be twi or extwi. I Don't really know. Though it seems their is or was some type of association of twi/vpw/pfal and wd. If he is going to play like a troll, and do things that a troll does. He will eventually hang himself. Though his actions may be considered trollish, that don't make him one. I just don't think he can hear or see straight with whatever his intent is. I think both Rocky and Rhino have good intentions in their posts. Though the action is in question. The fact is, if you want to pm someone you can. And even talk of someone else. I personally would not make it a practice of doing this about anyone. But sometimes it will happen and has. And even needs to be done. It's not a rule, nor should be imo. Sometimes a person will feel the need to do so. That freedom to do it is here. I believe the moderators are doing their job well. And they are quite human, as we are. As Jeff has said, some of these folks that post with questionable intent. Have indeed magnified and made very apparent the true intent of others. Which is a good thing imo. I wouldn't say wd is a troll, though trollish looking. If that makes any sense to anyone...lol.. The results of wd's actions have been assisted by others. That compounds the problem rather then isolating it. Not only for wd but for the betterment of us all.

He ain't worth the time at this time. He'll get his own first hand testimony in his time. More real then anything he has ever known. I have no doubt.

Also worth noting is With you. A bit personal I would say. That would seem to say, if the poor is with us. Then we are with the poor. Basically no distinction of some sort of 'status'.

Good one Abi, I like it!

Yes that's very true about Zone Alarm. I've seen many getting help by way of fixing the zone alarm conflict problem. But I'm not sure about having two antivirus' running at the same time. Especially when Avast goes to do it's boot scan with AVG on it. And then loads it's engines. Have you done it this way WW? There shouldn't be a problem to uninstall avg then install avast. That's the way I did it anyway. On one fellows computer, AVG would stop the loading of safe mode even. Of course I don't know what else he had on the computer to trigger the particular part of avg to halt all access to windows in any mode, safe or any other. And according to him his computer was cleaned up with help from gtg forum. But uninstalling avg apparently fixed his troubles. He pulled the drive, set it to slave, put it on another computer and used the other computers OS to access the slave and uninstall avg. So anyway, the point that we agree on is avg is trouble since the major upgrade for most people. I'm not familiar with Zone Alarm WW, so I'll leave that one for you for sure.

Just the phrase You shall be Holy is quite interesting in itself as if it's a definite like there is no way you won't be kindof like it's already done even perhaps we have not looked at certain other perspectives here is it possible that Genesis is not only the beginning but the end as well as Revelations with it's great last phrases of healing and light being not only the end but the beginning and not to leave out any scripture from any inspired writings like these things were already done sort of you shall.... is that fore telling or just stating a fact that hasn't been realized

Maybe these will help you Dot. WordWolf is correct about AVG, I don't think it's good anymore. It used to be.

Ok, no prob, it's really simple. First forget everything I posted and do this- Click in this order- Start Control Panel Add Remove Programs (let all the icons/programs load up) Click on AVG antivirus Click 'remove' follow the instructions-it's easy you will probably have to restart your computer it will tell you Ok, don't be concerned about the warning saying you have no antivirus-cause you don't :) Now go here and 'download latest version' and click run after double clicking the download. http://filehippo.com/download_avast_antivirus/ follow the instructions-which means keep clicking next, yes and i agree and click yes when it asks about a boot scan you'll see it - yes you do want a boot scan then you will restart your computer and it will scan your computer before windows loads-it takes a while be patient it starts out slow but picks up speed Lets get this done and see if it fixes the problem.

That doesn't look like a firewall problem. If it's worked before then the firewall already has it allowed to connect. Those are 'no connection' messages. Have you added any new software or hardware recently? Here's some things to do. See if it fixs the problem after each suggestion. 1 Turn off computer, unplug power to modem (if it's high speed). Unplug power to router if you have one also. Wait 2 minutes, plug the modem in then the router then power up the computer. 2 Uninstall AVG completely. Disable Zone alarm. Restart and try it again. restart computer-then reinstall from here- http://filehippo.com/download_avg_antivirus/ 3 Ditch AVG. uninstall it completely and switch to Avast or AntiVira. AVG has been trouble for me since it went to 8.whatever. Note- Other Antivirus programs that are free including Avast (my choice) and AntiVira. http://filehippo.com/software/antivirus/ 4 Call your ISP (internet service provider) and see if the problem is on their end. BIG note. I've been hereing that zone alarm has been conflicting with various other programs. if none of the above worked you may consider switching to another firewall. http://filehippo.com/software/firewalls/

I never understood the use of the word 'apologist' anyway i guess it can be used in a good sense or bad i just don't use it cuz it doesn't fit with what i post i guess well till this post anyway, idon't think i've ever used the word people who defend vpw or pfal or twi don't bother me unless they are doing it and lieing, knowing what happened and like rubbing it in the face of someone who has been hurt which is probably all of us i defended pfal/twi/vpw for years so i can understand if someone is honestly doing that in dealing with those who are defending honestly i don't think the nuclear war heads should be used first let's get to know these people and learn from them it is possible and yes i learned a bit out of 20 years in the way i can only defend those who honestly where seeking God that would not include vpw anymore because of what i have been shown or pfal or twi i listen to the stories, the actual things taught and the actions and results letting it come together in my mind without forcing anything and answers start coming rambling on i guess.... btw...you guys lighten up on each other please no one is "wrong" if they are honest it's just where they are at the time life is to big to have only one "right" one is we, we are still one humanity is one get it? maybe...

well shoot at this point i vote to close this thread good stuff on it though sheesh....... what a mess

Yeah the points have been made. That's why i suggest to move on. So much is being missed and not posted because of this. I don't think Groucho's intent was for this to be a wd bash party either. But focusing more on the effect of said abuse of others in a way that has allowed it to go this long and effectively stop the telling of the other side, sides, top, bottom-whatever. I can't say what I want to, cause I would get edited and have. Because of the choice of words. But if I was face to face with someone treating another in the fashion being discussed. That someone would have a problem to face. And if the MOB is right then more power to them. I recall many MOBS being right, only to be gunned down or otherwise silenced.

far from mark and avoid the word is to stop personally attacking people here wd has been very consistent with his attacks and manner of leave the victims alone with the calling them a liar tactic mark that and avoid the obvious manner to deal with this in person i'd report him to the police as a stalker if it continues no avoiding that, it's against the law

Yeah, I know, Tom. I don't know his situation. It's just, for us, and our own sound thinking. I think if we think of someone else's thinking too long then it starts to get into ours. I think...:)

If White Dove is in the penalty box or banned. I suggest to halt discussion of him in particular. As far as discussing WD, but not the tactics used. I think it's moving out of good character to continue. If he is restricted. If that is. The reason being is that we could take this too far. And I am for giving WD a chance should he return. Just a suggestion, for your consideration. peace

yeah, not so clever is he i read all his posts it was a planned attack from the beginning always challenging people's actual experiences almost 140 pages of manipulation tactics poor plan and execution it only proves how sick vp and his doctrine and practice is doctrine and practice can't be separated when you see what the doctrine really is the practice is self evident

Geisha, I'm sorry but you are quite mistaken about Danny. Sure we all have shortcomings. But there is no way you could know what you are saying about Danny by what he posted. The discussion was not about what your last post suggests and states.

Why did being pretty come up? Does that matter? He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

I implied? lolololololol. You are having difficulties are you not? Interpreting Lucy's post now wd? As well as mine. You are not good at it.

More then one I'm very sure.

This is what I said white dove. Quit your lies and adding to my posts.