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Or anyone else for that matter. Where would they go anyway!

Well pardon the hell out of me! Who is not forgiving? You don't name anyone, are you afraid to really get on the subject? WTF do you know about forgiveness anyway? You don't say so I will not guess as you have of others here. Malice is more what I see in your post then anything. So if your highness will join a decent discussion perhaps you will not be so blind.

To post one's 'story' is pretty deep imo. Cause one would need to dig deep to bring it out.. Not many can do this fully in one shot. So that's why I said mine is in bits and pieces all over this place. As well as many others stories. John, I don't think you have posted your story either. But no big deal. If it comes it comes.

time will end, one person at a time yeah oaks, i don't think he's coming back either

It's not the way int. i'm talking about or doctrines. More of what has happened since. So I'm really far from whatever twi did to me. There is no title to what has transpired in the last 8 almost 9 years since twi. Others can try to if they like, ok with me. I have now and some things pushed and pulled. But now is, and that continues without stopping.

You would have had to be involved in GSC since I was to get a handle on bits and pieces of 'my story', John. I did enjoy your perspective here in your last post. Though to carry and say you are a professional, could be overstating the facts. But I'm ok with it, as it seems there is no better term for the line of work you are in. --- And are you ever alone? Really? Do you think you can be, honestly? Are you also watching yourself?

My story is here John. Only 3 or 4 have seen it most completely. But it's here in these pages. Have you ever faced yourself? Honestly? Unafraid of what hides in the darkest parts of your heart? The only one qualified is you for yourself. Though you will not be alone.

from your website John not likely.....

socks as well as John Knapp, I think a little distrust is healthy and quite normal actually, as you may agree. If one's words do not strike some kind of chord in the soul then there is not much more then talking about the weather or some other thing that isn't a deep concern. Cause I will be willing to talk to someone about heart matters if the heart of that someone can also. Some can and do speak from the depths of their heart, knowing how to handle those who can't or won't respond in like manner. Those who do not receive or listen to what you are saying is evident, as well as those who see what one would be speaking of. I do believe that one can know another soul to a point, with or without similar experiences. And it is this factor that differs one from actually helping another or just general advice-one sided.

If you meet your master on the road, kill him - Buddhist quote

Good to see you sirg, especially on a thread like this one. Nice post and picture. Thanks DrWearWord for starting a great thread. there are types and reflections. I don't know if there is a difference between the two terms. And we can reflect ourselves or others as well as become a tupos of ourselves or others. Being aware of what is happening in us and with us is interesting.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_Christ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_of_Christ

What has one thinking they are saved? What has one thinking they are not saved? Why is it that salvation is thought of? Why would God save anyone? Why wouldn't God save everyone?

don't be surprised if you don't get much response, nandon we were taught that the first thought to or about anything was from god anyway, your idea here is a good one if you don't stay stuck with the answer cause it's answer upon answer and line upon line that builds wisdom and understanding, changing answers an answer for you may not be an answer for another but it was in the way, we were forced into other's ideas and answers journal well, peace

it has to be so simple to see hidden in plain sight

from wikipedia- Credibility refers to the objective and subjective components of the believability of a source or message. Traditionally, credibility has two key components: trustworthiness and expertise, which both have objective and subjective components. Trustworthiness is a based more on subjective factors, but can include objective measurements such as established reliability. Expertise can be similarly subjectively perceived, but also includes relatively objective characteristics of the source or message (e.g., credentials, certification or information quality). Secondary components of credibility include source dynamism (charisma) and physical attractiveness.

How do you think of things or others or yourself. From your feelings and things going on within-subjectively, or from a somewhat detached perspective-objectively. And even in communication, do we do both? I think so. Neither one is wrong. And I think they can work together.

interpreting what we see and hear as well as our other senses inwardly and outside of us is an art i believe i have dealt with some dark stuff demons if you will in another as well as myself in dealing with another it's not so much determining what you are dealing with but what and how are you dealing with it with love? without love nothing will be accomplished for helping you have to become love to hear what to do or say same as dealing with ourselves i reckon in reflection what i thought i was dealing with was not as i was taught, but rather i was being shown what i needed to say and do though it was as dark as a 'demon' imo what is in someone's heart is none of my business and love will not rat another person out

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subjective http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objective This has been mentioned a few times in the past. I 'thought' we could look at it. And see what we can see, There is of course much more then just the definitions. In dealing with anything. As well as different states of consciousness. In thinking and reflecting on anything. There is a point to start from. Perhaps not these, but it seems the most used. "input, need more input!" Number 5 (Short Circuit) 5 dictionary results for: subjective Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This sub·jec·tive /səbˈdʒɛktɪv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suhb-jek-tiv] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective). 2. pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation. 3. placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric. 4. Philosophy. relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself. 5. relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience. 6. pertaining to the subject or substance in which attributes inhere; essential. 7. Grammar. a. pertaining to or constituting the subject of a sentence. b. (in English and certain other languages) noting a case specialized for that use, as He in He hit the ball. c. similar to such a case in meaning. Compare nominative. 8. Obsolete. characteristic of a political subject; submissive. [Origin: 1400–50; late ME: pertaining to a subject of a ruler < L subjectīvus; see subject, -ive] —Related forms sub·jec·tive·ly, adverb sub·jec·tive·ness, noun —Synonyms 1. mental. 6. substantial, inherent. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -- 8 dictionary results for: objective Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This ob·jec·tive /əbˈdʒɛktɪv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uhb-jek-tiv] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. something that one's efforts or actions are intended to attain or accomplish; purpose; goal; target: the objective of a military attack; the objective of a fund-raising drive. 2. Grammar. a. Also called objective case. (in English and some other languages) a case specialized for the use of a form as the object of a transitive verb or of a preposition, as him in The boy hit him, or me in He comes to me with his troubles. b. a word in that case. 3. Also called object glass, object lens, objective lens. Optics. (in a telescope, microscope, camera, or other optical system) the lens or combination of lenses that first receives the rays from the object and forms the image in the focal plane of the eyepiece, as in a microscope, or on a plate or screen, as in a camera. –adjective 4. being the object or goal of one's efforts or actions. 5. not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion. 6. intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book. 7. being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject (opposed to subjective). 8. of or pertaining to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality. 9. Grammar. a. pertaining to the use of a form as the object of a transitive verb or of a preposition. b. (in English and some other languages) noting the objective case. c. similar to such a case in meaning. d. (in case grammar) pertaining to the semantic role of a noun phrase that denotes something undergoing a change of state or bearing a neutral relation to the verb, as the rock in The rock moved or in The child threw the rock. 10. being part of or pertaining to an object to be drawn: an objective plane. 11. Medicine/Medical. (of a symptom) discernible to others as well as the patient. [Origin: 1610–20; < ML objectīvus, equiv. to L object(us) (see object) + -īvus -ive] —Related forms ob·jec·tive·ly, adverb ob·jec·tive·ness, noun —Synonyms 1. object, destination, aim. 5. impartial, fair, impersonal, disinterested. —Antonyms 5. personal.

I think the two being joined together becoming one flesh fits in here somehow.

Romans 7 1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. I'd say they work separately together :) who died who was raised

seems to be something important here- Isaiah 30 1Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: 2That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! 3Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your confusion.

leading in some areas of living is a good quality it's not a leadership stamp for life though great is the rewards for all good things giving does not equal receiving giving is receiving if a thing is done for receiving the reward is there if it's done without thought of receiving the gift is far more reaching then the former reaching inside as well leading happens much to the surprise of the leader i think so a leader can't think about leading but just be themselves cause sometimes the leading is not there ---- a spiritual covering is something of the spirit which is in us all supporting each other helping each other in our weakness' and struggles helping others by direction from the spirit not required to be repaid