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That's a good point Bramble. None of the gospels or Acts were written as they were happening. In fact the dates known of when they were written are well after any of these people would still be alive. Geisha, your right, faith is not in a book. Although it can capture where our faith is, it is not bound by what it says, but free to move in different directions. "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

I can see where a person's mental state could trigger a heart attack. That's about all I could see the mind killing you. Unless it's by killing yourself with some sort of weapon. To lie to God or the Holy Spirit seems contradictory to me. Cause they would be talking to each other. There is a place that says whatever you do to them you do to me. Said by Jesus Christ in a parable. Of course this happens all the time. Lie cheat steal and worse. It just looks fabricated because of no love. Fear being spread, and about the way money is shown here.

i don't know of any other record like this lie to the holy spirit or god=death? or even one instance of lie to the hs-except acts 5....... not any where but acts 5

The same greed was present when this was written here in Acts as there is today. Acts 5 presents Peter and more as bastards who treat anyone like this. Yeah, sell your stuff and give us the money has been around for a long time. And here is an attempt to put it as scripture or the word of god in the bible. It's a threat, an intimidation tactic by whoever wrote this. Well, Peter, it's none of your business what I sold anything for and whatever I give you, you should be thankful for. Even if my wife and I did lie. Besides Peter should help A & S rather then TAKING their money and watching them die.

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yeah, funny ain't it

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Jeff, where is the love? the fruit of the spirit? Where is any warning of death for lying to the Holy Spirit? Did Jesus say to collect money in this manner? I don't think I have to look up the scriptures for you. Love is the commandment. Plenty of verses on how to handle what is given to you, and to be thankful. And, NO, I'm not projecting my own experiences into this. But just look at it for God's sake. It's about money.

i think it just says listen not obey no more blind obedience for me though i could see in part or enough to 'do'

Seems to me a & s were certainly mark and avoid! Promoting fear in others. I do not believe that is the way to function. It certainly is not stated that way anywhere else. Looks like an intentional manipulation of readers. People gave to Paul and Peter and others in the rest of the scriptures. But nothing like this big sell your stuff and give what you want in mass. Sounds like passing the collection plate or horn or something. Lay all that money at the apostles feet? Something about feet rings a bell. Why were Peter and the rest hanging around collecting? Is that what theyt were instructed to do by Jesus?

I don't believe it's about foretelling. Nor do I think it exists as in stating some future event. A prophet is more then I once thought. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet That's just part of it I think.

what's a prophet?

even loss can be counted as gain whido is full of it

how would this apply here, bride? and your reply to my post does not even pertain to what acts 5 says unless you explain further a & s martyrs?

Well said Bramble. We do not have to take whatever the bible says, or whatever someone else says it says. As the canon of what is called the bible was put together by men. Translated by men over the years. There is one who can cut through the crap. Even then there are many different views. That's what some do not see. It's been drilled into us that there is one meaning. That's not the truth at all. A & S is murder, plain and simple on the surface. If it is indeed inspired by the Holy Spirit. Then the Holy Spirit murdered A & S. On the surface. And this "judgement" thing don't make sense. That God or the Holy Spirit executed judgment in this section. Immediately, without Jesus Christ the mediator. And the blatant contradictions of this record and the rest of the scriptures is plain to see. If looked at.

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So why does anyone think that a & s really happened? Why does anyone think that anything in the bible happened? In the way I was told to believe it's God's Word. That don't mean it is. I've learned a lot from scripture, and not just the kjv canon. I've also learned a lot about what others say about how acts and other books developed. Believers were very divided, as well as the political motivations of many. These things influenced what we now have in the scriptures. So I believe something bigger then man must help out here. Although it is in man to do it.

I have the proof needed for a lot of things, including you wd. Why does anyone talk to you?

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yeah, great fear such a god as this the holy spirit passing judgment?

And it along with other factors led and still leads to the killing of the innocent. Devotion to a god developed by doctrines of men leading to wars, mass murders, genocide and more. And. yeah, first shake 'em down for all their money, all their worth. Then eliminate their voice. But that they cannot silence.

So murder is the way? I don't think so.