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well... it's a theory cause that has not happened sort of, depends how it's viewed

If all that happens as you have suggested then there is a problem here. A few actually. When is it that we are just? When is it when we are not. And is this by one's own doing that we are just. If not, then why would anyone be chosen to be one or the other. And not picking on you, cause I know many think this- Where did that idea come from. The all at the same time theory. As well as this thought-

If you are meaning that everyone shares the same air then ok.

yes.....vpw taught division from the the start of pfal and he meant it too, dividing people against people that's not Christ bride or body is no difference there is a difference in perception the body is one, as you know the bride is to be married to become one, the same one what happened and what changed with the death of Christ happened for everyone it is a matter of when we each see it unfold in and with us 'in the air another comforter is spoken of 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. from where? from which direction? Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. not receiving doesn't mean it is not had by all dormant as a seed is, the awakening of it will come as promised the spirit will open the understanding of spirit for you, which we have now and they had before Pentecost not the bible to the spirit, rather, spirit opening spiritual matters

Why would anyone want to change your opinion? Seems you are the one trying to change minds. I suppose I could post some about your content. Why would anyone want to do that with your present state?

well said sirg, thanks the water of the word, presented quite brilliantly a shining light of lights

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed

Some how this is 'who will god choose to gather'. As if we have a choice of when and how. Any separating is done within yourself. Not one person from another. Give that a shot. In time we each face the forgiveness of fire.

i am the resurrection sound familiar? the just and unjust the wheat and the tares when Christ comes it will all unfold as it has always

legitimate or deluded according to what you think? sorry no one will play that game what's going on in their mind is none of your business

it's sort of like a domino effect one says this so another says that then it's on some vpw or twi or doctrinal/belief issue because someone said something a certain way or don't understand what was said, and guess accusations and labeling begin and we kill each other it becomes a pattern of reading owns own thoughts into another rather then letting it go and get more understanding of our company no one can read the mind of anyone else patience will bring out the best in all of us so each can contribute and speak freely

just in general, Roy, no it's not you start hitting the mark and there is other things that try to distract and blind but it will come around again the seasons will change

Seriously geisha..... the insults, sarcasm and innuendo is not about you not about this thread in particular either

I just ignore all that junk these days, Sirg. no time for such non communication, even though there are words and even some things worth commenting on, if there was a better attitude

out from it is what i thought i did first if you mean something different i could try....

Interesting verse to choose. A good one too. So just reading it, God breaths, and that breath was the breath of life. It doesn't say what man was before he became a living soul. Nor does it say what a living soul is. Reading into it opens some possible conversation and thinking.

the Holy Spirit is claimed? like owning air....?.....

geisha779, i think when we realize or see that, we begin to understand, and are enlightened, not by our own doing, but something else at work although Christ works in, Christ is us as well and not that what we set our minds to do means nothing, it is a help and serves to reach beyond ourselves working so hard to see something like born again it can be missed cause it has always been with us anyway

Bob, No, that's not what I said at all. I will not be limited by any definition. Words grow in meaning, quite drastically at times. So I don't stop at one or three definitions, but take them into account and keep going. Don't make a war where there is not one. If you do, i will not participate.

i'd say most here will not be enslaved by definitions or any persons interpretation of scripture i'm not open to criticizing anyone's person the manner in which the scriptures are presented is in question

Excuse me there Bob, but your post has a narrow view. I will not use the word you used to describe a perspective. Other words come to mind. But, you are, as all, entitled to your own works.

It may be a warning, but nothing to be afraid of. Even with the handle in your hand there must be honesty. v. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Has lots to do with, if all things can be naked and opened to our eyes, which i believe they can 'with whom we have to do'.

we all get to go down that road that's the beauty of it