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ha!, i think of the movie "Soylent Green" thinking of any thing based on pfal/the way and it's splinters

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those verses and that event has nothing to do with what happened in the way you are making them fit your own needs you want it to happen like in the way, huh? you sound like a branch davidian

What "return"? are you talking about?

On a side note, I don't think we were meant to agree on everything anyway. There is just so many variables and perspectives to see. I do think that most cross paths at times. But like-minded is more 'intention' then agreeing on things.

evasive tactics with words that sound good but empty of life what is 'the word of god' why escape negative situations rather then face them hiding behind words that do not mean much you are in the pfal ditch you don't have to think

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._W._Bullinger External links is funny that way....

More a conman then a salesman. Talked us out of our money, our families, our very real gifts. Coerced women into bed with him, as well as rape. He had no right or authority to do what he did. But by words we were tricked into believing lies. He violated everyone within his reach, even if you never met him.

Salesman? Yes that is certain. What he sold was crap, poor quality workmanship. "Freely you have received, Freely give" # Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. # 1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Did not happen with the vp/pfal package. We were held captive as slaves by 'mathematical exactness and scientific precision'. But a closer look and the math and science falls apart and is fruitless.

what johniam is really saying- 'love the sinner and participate in the sin cause they do, and it's ok to approve it'

POP was shifting the blame to others and a cover up for felonies, and violating the rights of others. Get people fighting among each other to blind them from the truth. What everyone, that could do, was try to get the ABS flowing to themselves. JL a prime example.

God didn't cover for vp, people did. Well said socks, in the right time of his choosing we must face ourselves as well, forgiveness is not to be underestimated in it's power to transform.

Wonder what means to them or him.

what is a prophet? ministry/ministering covers a lot of ground both good and bad

these things can be shown to you to which there would be no doubt http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+8&version=KJV this is happening in the mind of a man but you just can't be narrow-minded and blind and deaf to what is not seen or heard much more then you will expect....i expect....

I have to agree with Exc here, these things did happen. If you, johniam, want open dialogue on this it may have to be by pm's. But I don't think you are ready to hear it yet. You will though. There are other things to discuss, and show points of view. If you are willing to even consider any except your own. Of which I have seen and lived and then taken the time and energy, and to add, the courage to look at things without your self interests. You have to take it upon yourself to look. And usually not many notice, but some do.

don't see gather together in there and how close is heaven?

as if you know what that means, we are not told to anywhere at anytime as if we need telling....

who is that? as seen through pfal i guess johniam, you are not specific about much what is really bugging you anyway

it's called out of fellowship or alignment and harmony used extensively and effective on most in twi does that ring any bells?

Yeah, I learned how in the way from the pfal class.

strange thread i think what's so bad about dieing we have been taught wrong about it everyone dies, why is such fear promoted with it Jesus died, Christ died, we will too sheesh, driving me nuts using fear of death as some kind of trick not knowing anything about it, they seduce with fear well, some who are still alive know about death and after it enough to know it's not to be feared and more damned hypocrites who use this will die too ya know -end rant-

yeah, get past all the sales hype really look at the product with some common sense and then the salesman's life

why do some still like vp/pfal? they never tested it and taken it apart to see what it is it is not easy, but can be done quit getting screwed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yGCHPmfqT0&NR=1

and who got served?