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I like the parent child analogy WW. As the children grow they are dealt with differently as well. To which I suspect you agree.

reduce god to the level of man? what does that mean? could say, we can become one as JC prayed no reducing any god or gods the Son of God is actually a Son of God no article 'the'

I think of Ecclesiastes 3 when this contradiction stuff comes up. To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven I do believe this happens. Vital is for the man to die to see, or find out as this scripture says. No man has seen God.... There has to be alternatives.

kindof absolute and relative sirg...maybe while some only conceive remotely even that is a relationship as is direct experience still having done both there still seems to be a distance and direct awareness somehow not in my control or preference at any given time cause though i want the presence and experience which i know is there the remote is in communication with myself i think i figure it's not my call only that i think sometimes, need of both

interesting thoughts come to mind predestinated our will or will not god's will or will not everything happening according to one will as some verses say maybe they are the same wills deep down, will ya...

hm, like someone has to be right and the other wrong both can be right and contradict watch out when they cross ways and eyes open a time for everything and times a plenty

funny, i think that's how so many feel they are on the edge of something and just not quite sure what it is yet, just knowing or sensing looking, and the hatchling just jumps, not really sure what is next something else kicks in i think we are such little ones in so many things, if we know less then we think it takes that kind of release to move on to anywhere

those who die know, fear, and it taken away any way there is a lot to fear that stops many from looking at dieing honestly without fear as you point out

seems to be a third person view of Pentecost not first hand expression, the way it's written instead of what did the apostles and disciples actually experience in themselves a recording of what was seen and heard as the writer saw it? back to what is heaven or where even via 3rd person it looks like from inside of them as well as out Acts 2 1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. just to look at the verses....

thanks sirg, well said, all of it I like this especially -

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yeah, thought of this one too Genesis 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

well...i don't think heaven is seen the way the ancient one's saw it

Not to be argumentative or even instructional. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels. As well as heaven is anywhere above the earth's atmosphere. Both can be right. And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. Comes to mind as well as many such scripture. And life itself is in the earth and above where there is heaven. What is life without heaven, or hell for that matter.

I agree.

ok, we gotta synchronize our posts better sirg...1 minute off this time lol...

where is 'God' looking down from? I think it's more a figure then literal really... depending on where god is could he be looking up at the entire human race? doesn't say dead or alive either, that would not be a factor I think just thinking, cause I can....

I see theories in your post Steve, but no questions. None that I can find anyway. Is there a question in there or more then a few?

Thanks waysider, posting the link where I can.

there is a misunderstanding of flesh as there is of spirit cause there can be good and bad in either and both And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

easy to fake about what was fake except we expected more which would not come cause there wasn't any real substance many honest hearts betrayed and used

in a way it has nothing to do with love looking at the bigger picture loving your self? I don't know if that would cover it, probably backfire somehow. more like not blaming yourself so much... various emotions would follow after that seeing that there are many things more powerful then our will forgiving, recognizing more of the unseen determination even predestined, if one can realign that definition

yeah, I think death is on topic with forgiveness something has to die live a new thought pattern and not so much the end of our life but every day stuff like the first post here it covers a lot of ground opens a lot for consideration to parallel dieing with changing is life a lot of things have died in me a lot of things have become new and living true of anyone paying any attention I suppose even things beyond our control

this is a most interesting phrase and turn of events and very present tense to destroy death seems like a contradiction of terms like die/die or kill/kill what is it to destroy? what is death? Brother J said he would destroy his life and build it again anyway just letting that settle in.... taking care of the dieing is to be far-sighted in some things shorter in others... not waiting till you have to e pointed out that should or can it be done yeah it can, often it does not to die well, even if you have to cram at the end not preferred, but doable as Kit pointed out

if there is only one conversion but there are more even on the surface of childhood adult senior some form of forgiveness arises to be dealt with the eastern religions and thoughts on this are far more note worthy many count seven conversions, with layers in each some twelve in a grand mural of conversions these, in part, are documented in Revelations giving western Christianity a glimpse