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I'd be willing to see that the truth changes in perspective. Not leaving behind lies but that which was true, still is. There is relationships between the individual and truth in perspectives. And those relationships can be revisited, and that very truth seen more clearly, if we missed it the first time around. Torn down and built again you could come up with the same truth. And with even more in addition because of the many relationships involved.

the deal with Eve seems more of a negotiation deal I think God was there in the mix as well

I thought this is very good, from -Youth for Christ-

"was Paul gay" is a question that cannot be answered either answer, yes or no, would not mean anything to me why put off your own miseries and problems onto Paul with a question like that? or try to make a name for themselves or a few dollars from writing about it? without the due care and respect due any man or woman, dead or alive

this is some good stuff posted I don't think many would understand except those who have escaped such oppression and abuse.

I should say, this is how it's been going for me sometimes. Sometimes differently. No way is what I experience some kind of standard. A disclaimer I suppose...lol. Or where I'm at at this point and other times. Anyone else's could be different and quite good and just what they need.

"will some come back and explain itself to you?" I think in it's own time all at once with some things and bits and pieces for others... mainly leaving behind that which held us back and moving forward with those things we used to break free and perhaps no longer needing those things, other things will present themselves to us and yes Ham, back to the jobs and family, living but without the oppression and fear of the unknown

nice, good sharing I don't think it's a tragedy to throw everything out. The saying 'cast your bread upon the waters' comes to mind. Whatever is good that you gained you haven't lost. Probably modified and better. Like taking it all and smashing it against a brick wall. And see what sticks. I know I got to the place of relying on the doctrine as sound. but I could never rest my hat on it so to speak. Such an uneasy feeling, as most of it had no foundation. The house (mind) built on sand, or something.

Thanks for your input Bramble. I don't think anyone with a lot of time in the way, could trash it all immediately or right away. It was designed to integrate into our lives. It never really did though cause our minds are not designed to hold that crap. I think a vacation to the beach, just me, my wife and kids helped a lot too. That was while I was still in, that same year I quit the way. Took a while to bust it out of my head after that. I had a lot of help so I can't take the credit. But I did determine to see it all, good or bad.

the dead change not that which is living can die and live again

still progressing I expect trying to interpret gets in the way sometimes just let it flow just part of the whole limitlessness just to get our attention, that there more in us and with us then we thought amen, enough to bring a man to tears

yes, stages for me, or steps to take then the '"experience" or psychotic episode' happened dead bs is still dead bs no matter how it's played all my figuring got a serious reconstruct mainly for new perspectives to see and live one brief moment, like the twinkling of an eye...

HA! yes, perhaps a destructive reformat would be better, I figure anything good will come up again in a distinctly different form.

Do we trash everything we learned in the way, or hang on to some doctrine that originated or stems from their teachings? If we truly pitch the whole thing, will some come back and explain itself to you? Not as 'truth' but as what it's talking about. Is any of it any kind of a basis to understand God? A post just to consider, response is appreciated, but not necessary. Personally aftyer much ado, I had to burn it all out of my mind. And start fresh. although we have already have what it takes to see, I just started looking at many different things. Whatever stuck or went away is how it goes. Even that which sticks will sometimes be swept away by other understandings.

yeah, I don't think that record about Eve has really been heard yet we have been schooled in one way of seeing it, there are more then one

these folks should view some of these threads here :) http://bquot.com/1au

Our own thought process, approach, and mindset should be looked into, before and after any conclusions or determinations or posts, statements, whatever. Both objectively and subjectively, or one gets stuck, hindered, trapping themselves, in their own thought process. So it's good to see others, objectively and subjectively, and the way they handle this. Giving you more then you can do on your own, inspiring different process, approach, and mindset, which could be different then seen initially.

that would be what twi's interpretation of those scriptures not everyone thinks the same 'way' about what Romans 1 is saying just to be clear on how they are treating themselves to others... and the doctrine they claim to believe, but practice something quite different

as a whole, neither twi or it's wow program, past or present doesn't know what the word is nor how or who 'moves' it as if we had some kind of power, never described, just that we had it

Thanks Steve, I didn't think it was all that either really. no worries...

in my opinion, you are reading too much into some of these posts, Geisha what you see as anxiety, I see as how people think, that's about all the topic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contradiction Of course I think Aristotle is mistaken! :)

Steve, what I posted was not a base or attempt for any argument at all. More of a question, like how can one have the responses or reactions you posted. Knowing what God knows. Seems that to be some reason to not want to know. Knowing is maybe something different to me then you. I don't know. :) At any rate, this is not meant as controversial, but attainable, imo. If it's possible, then there is no end of knowing, more or less.

Not so sure about this idea, depends on what God knows I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sanhedrin more to the Sanhedrin story then one 'way' we were taught... hahaha!

some people can't conceive of a sensual loving affectionate relationship without trying to rip it apart with their own musings about sex for Paul I might know a little, more of myself and attempted escapes and dealing with why, how, who and where the hell I am seems just plain honest with himself in many a set of the riddles of the mind and spirit