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I promote no doctrine. But all will die, that is certain. And all our bs with it. Throwing verses from a book around is a mindless task. As if it's the last word on a subject. Till we question it's intent.

and the will of God is all to be saved anyone going to stop him? your will? don't think so and i know you did not state that in the long run there is no escape cause anything but 'saved' is an illusion/not real thanks for that, and the spirit will move in each of us in it's own time

so you are saying i have to do something to get something from god? it depends on what i do? and yes i think there many anointed sleep is figurative i think the spirit will move at god's command not mine

Thanks Tom, for responding here. I believe all have the spirit though. For some it is still sleeping. Aroused occasionally and awakened in others. To see part of an infinite picture. Christ has been around a long time. Before the birth of Jesus. So I don't know and really can't say for sure that Jesus was the first Comforter.

acknowledging the existence of a God there 'faith no more' be careful, :)

I agree T&O.

I don't think dreams or anything in the spirit is limited to 1 manifestation. Or whenever the spirit shows us, or does something, there is a lot going on, but I don't dissect it. Just some general observations and experience is worth talking about. Like the stuff Twinky posted is good background things to consider. But I would not stake my life on any definition of 'another Comforter'. The pictures in my mind of spirit things can't be held by limitations. Or I feel like stuck in a rut, and can't see past what I may think. So I value input from others greatly, may not agree at the time, but it could inspire other thoughts as well.

Joseph's control would be in speaking or not. The content was not of his doing, alone.

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Thanks Twinky, for looking it up and how you see this subject as well. Jerry, Roy, I think you are both saying the same thing, that it's God not us, igniting the spirit to work in us. Not sure, but a darn language barrier thing I believe.

Cool, to put it to musical notes and compare. Nice! No sound without signification... colors may work as well the note played may strike a different chord in each person and the colors of the rainbow are really there

Thanks for replying Jerry and all. I'll let your post set without my thinking, with the exception of this. And not so much disagreeing but it's always by God's will. We don't operate the manifestations of the spirit by our will, never seen it done. But as the spirit wills they are manifested. A big (one of the biggest) screw up by twi teachings is that we operate the spirit. in my opinion Sure god works in us, but by his will in us. Some times we don't even see it ourselves, when it's happening in us. Else I'd be doing some things different today. Maybe you agree with some of that. ------ So anyway 'another', I'm thinking, is the door for more opened perhaps that communicates. Yes waysider, good point, and perhaps not to define, if that's even possible. But to get a glimpse of it, understand it at least in part. I think we need shown by God/HS/Christ, whatever you want call it. That is easy to see, but harder to put in words. So in comes tongues that the spirit speaks and hears, lighting the fires of understanding and sight, with wisdom. Had a thought about God creating male and female, you know in Gen, the spirit side of male and female. Perhaps the old testament was about the male mostly, and the new, the female. Both still together in the old and new covenants. As Jerry pointed out there is some different rules in play now.

hm, i don't agree with that, no dead spirits i know of....Christ is alive asleep or awake but to is real enough to wakeup Christ even, asleep but not dead to some it is to awaken the serpent, another spirit, same Christ i don't agree about the common assessment of fleshly things as some do everything is pure to the pure

that makes some sense, Roy, to me has this always been around do you think JC was speaking of himself? as the 'other' as opposed to 'another' haha... is there another story here? :)

i still can't grasp what you are saying, i understand you, year, but Christ the seed is and has always been here in us, after it's 'kind'

please start your on thread, if you want, on your post content, faith no more, or try to stay near the topic thanks it's not irrelevant to me it says another so what was the other one and mythology is a great catalyst for truth yes I am a child

Not trying to pick a fight, Jerry, I hope you know that. Anyway here's the Peter reference. 1 Peter 1:10-12 King James Version (KJV) 10Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. And maybe get some these more learned greek and such folk involved in looking at this stuff. Cause the bible does seem to say different things, but is it about the same things. Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. So I contradict myself even...lol... Set me on a good path, is a good prayer I do for me. if I had to count anyone out of eternal life i'd have to include myself I just don't think anyone will be left out but that all have already been included, from before the beginning in a 'system', for lack of a better word, of eternal life and all the journeys take place.

and what did Moses get, a rock? That all? and the thousands of others that are recorded manifesting the Holy Spirit the Christ as mentioned in Peter besides the ones that are not recorded and even mentioned there are also references to cities unfound to date with Followers of CHRIST before Jesus was born of Mary Christ the first and last 21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) 1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Yes I know the doctrine you speak of Jerry. I don't buy it, especially the part where we have to do something to get something from god. bs. With all due respect to you Jerry, I don't think you see it the way the way taught it either. Have we seen the Holy Spirit working in men and women as recorded in the old testament? Could we walk and talk with the likes of Solomon and Abraham and Joshua and David and Shadrack, Meshack, and Abindigo(sp)and the many thousands who walked IN the Spirit? One asked Jesus how to obtain eternal life. 13Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. 14But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. 15And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence. 16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. The man already had it! Jesus wanted him to do something with it. btw, thanks for your input, it's needed....

I don't see what you are saying here. The topic is another comforter. What was the other one. What is 'another comforter'. Simple question.

the spirit was in you before birth else it could not be born but that is not the essence of 'another' at least I don't think so hell, someone argue with me :) could it mean something I missed of course I haven't said much...

then again, is there only one I believe it says the comforter is the holy spirit that's always been around so what would 'another' be saying growth? from seed to sprout and more is any one stage better then the other concerning life? and this god creates the seed/or whatever/spirit in us from twi is guess work at best I think we come with it from the beginning. Not by something we do or don't do. if the seed is spirit so is the sprout and the full tree with every root and person connected to the system

Now see this is the problem or chance to learn I reckon. All these phrases Christ in you seed inside spirit life growing. What does this all mean, can it be observed from the inside or out? Certainly I don't think there is anyone above anyone else, spirit type in you stuff, we all have gifts. Can it be measured? Should we even try to? I don't think so. But I do look for spiritual words and stuff. Seen them lots of times, can't prove it to no one but others who see it too. Or they know such things actually exist. Anyway, another Comforter...... what was the other one? 1st question that comes to mind to me seems there was one then another and I think both are still happening today and will for each and every person that's my thoughts and 'measure' of the matter...so far...

'And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever' Christ died as scripture says.....so seems there would be another. Is it different, the same or what? Questions, thoughts, seen it?

he was only gone 3 days and nights

"you've got to be stupider then stupid" that little short bastard, called us stupid