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Or should it be. 'If I have offended you let me know, so we can clarify our thinking.' How's that Oakspear.

Garth, I would add regarding how and what we are to do and think. If a person who is no less or more then me would just lay it on the table. Then I can decide for myself what I need to do. And it might be something totally different then what is said. Someone else's words could inspire other thoughts and directions. And no one speaks for God imo. He can do that himself very well. Sure we speak the word. But as God inspires. But that don't mean that it's instruction. Far from it, to enlighten the eyes is his purpose. Specific instruction will come from within yourself. Wether from the spirit or just common sense which is the spirit too. Some crazy stuff going on there, looks like. Going to extremes.

I'm not familiar with 'antivert'. But you can make a new page file system. right click 'my computer' left click properties left click 'advanced tab' left click 'performance settings' set it to no paging file then reboot after reboot repeat process but set it to system managed this will make a new paging file

Forgiveness from others is not required. I just have to do what I have to do. I can't control what someone else thinks. It all still boils down to being honest and thorough. Not a half-hearted attempt, but really doing it from the heart.

Exactly Jerry. It's not a pressure type thing. You have to want to. Rush it and things will be missed.

And to add this-the more I learn or am shown by God the more I know I don't know. Peace And this is some things to do all the time and what I should have been doing anyway.

How so Seth? At first I wasn't quite sure where to put this. But I think 'Open' is the place for it. I've learned more in the short time I've been doing these steps, then my entire time in twi. Currently working on these- Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. Which takes a certain amount of emotional detachment to really take a look at yourself and the past and the present. It also leads to the last steps cause this is what you are really doing. Prayer and meditation. I think I might start a thread on that in Doctrinal.

a Christmas Thank You (it'll play without changing security settings if you get that popup from windows) http://www.123greetings.com/events/seasons...ours/home1.html

that is cool can we add more cards to your thread OnionEater?

I've found about myself that I'm a focuser. When I have something to do I really focus in on it. This is a flaw and a good thing. Kind of tricky. Twi didn't help, I focused on it for twenty years. It's focus was on itself. Then I focused, zeroed in on blowing up what they had taught me. Which took about 3 years. Though I still must maintain a course to keep their junk out of my head. Then after that three years I found I didn't have much to focus on that intensly. So I got idle and drank too much which turned into a problem. And I'm not blaming twi. But my own character makeup. So instead of focusing so much, I must take in the bigger picture also. Which is changing me. So I am focusing on me to get better by doing those steps. But I also will not miss out on the bigger picture this time.

Thanks for the comment RumRunner, and glad you are doing better also. One day at a time works in many situations if we are applying some sort of solution. Compassion is nice to have but will not hinder if it's not there. And it is from most who posted. Having the compassion and drive in yourself, and bringing it to the surface in the form of action is power. Wether to help yourself or another.

it's kind of fun to look at the past and dream of the future and really all we have right at this moment is right now-this moment everyone has the past to look at and the future it's the present that is baffling... hohoho ohohoh how many ways can the present be opened?

And I think in a real way it's a selfish thing to do. In a great way. Cause if you don't have the help then how can you help another. So in a good selfishness to improve yourselves. To concentrate on fixing yourself. However you want to put it. And have fun too...yeah... Thanks Paw GSC has helped me tremendously.

You haven't destroyed any thing Mark. Neither have these few people who seem to be playing God. There is a God and I ain't it. He is the one who I will give myself to. Not science or even religion. Though these things play a role in my life. I think I'll just let God show me the way and quit trying to do it myself.

oenophile I have no problem with what you do at all. Just for me I won't drink anymore and still haven't. I do not like alcohol being promoted to be drank in excess. Don't really matter to me who they are, they have their own things to deal with. None of my business. pond So are you saying that alcohol is a problem or not? And your comment- Is not true of those working what AA has to offer. And Physicians and Doctors and even Patients know that after a while the prescription will not work and even sometimes starts to work in reverse. So those must also be constantly maintained. I don't want prescriptions unless I have to have them. So the plan is for me one day at a time. And various other things. Because I've missed out on the bigger picture at times. Don't want to anymore. ---- Figured out that this nervousness I experience at times is really fear. So working on love more and staying thankful. I have not seen any self-righteous attitudes at all in AA. I think a lot of them don't realize what great people they are. We are our own worst enemy sometimes. Love your enemies too. One Day At A Time

I liked the pictures. And still stay with what I said. The illustrations are not offensive to me either satire or whatever. I only watched it once and really didn't care what he was saying. Got my own things to do. And that was my post for one.

I tend to agree with your first paragraph Garth. That claiming God wrote the Words because the words say that he did is not suffecient for any valid real documentation and reliability of said words. Knowing what the words say is a good thing wether one is an atheist or theist or anything else. Mainly because there is a lot in it and a lot of controversy and problems people have with what is claimed to be spoken by a 'God' for whom the ones argueing about it have not found evidence to go either way-theist or atheist, and seem to land somewhere in between. Hoping that there is, waiting for proof, saying that there must be a God cause man could certainly not bring about what he sees with his eyes. Or saying that since this 'God' has not shown himself then there is not one. Nice pictures there Greasy though and still this little show is yet another show that the eyes can see. It's what the eyes cannot see that have so many in such bewilderment of the question of the existance of a 'God'. So rather then staying in bewilderment they usually will say no to kill the idea and problem, or yes and without solid proof say there is a 'God'. And what about the ones that say they have seen the proof? Have experienced this unseen 'God' in their lives. Have their words actually been considered without fear and honestly looked into? It must be something that is different then the theist and atheist and the inbetweeners that I described above. In fact so different that that is exactly why it's not looked in to.

Certainly more then 9 planets. And not saying there isn't darkness. Doesn't that book (bible) say that light shined out of darkness? For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us I believe that it's not a model so much as an actual autobiography of the heart. It being Genesis and much more. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead

Perhaps those are round coins like balls there Jerry. You know as you turn em you can see the darkness and the light. Like 9 planets and the Sun right in the middle. All of this in the mind of a person which is somewhat round. The universe is but a reflection of ourselves. What we see is seen in the mind and experienced in all of are parts. Body soul mind and spirit. So we can't be to hard on our selves but continue to improve. hmmm the Sun a ball of fire. The Flaming Sword that keeps the way of the Tree of Life. Can we see this perspective?

Ha! good point Jerry and right on the 'money' too. so fear and deceit missing yeah, what a time we had with those in the ole twi huh had it all friggin bass ackwards positive and negative believing bullcrap fear is fear love is love love beats fear everytime tipping the scales and deceit had my fill of that, how bout you guys honesty, honest in all our affairs and speech and i know love is not understood by some and not seen, but it's there and i can still ####ing cuss like a sailor too lol....:)

thanks sirguessalot i was hoping you would chime in it seems to me that it's not a box to live in but an ever widening circle to expand the abilities that god works in us and to recognize not so much the map but the directions and not so much the directions but an unlimited map that begins to clear if we turn certain ways and look and then most anyway we turn begins to be seen as light coming out of darkness

were we ever taught these things? Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity. Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires. Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath. Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness. Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work. Trust (Trust, opposes lying.)— Trust. Chastity (purity, opposes lust, ) — Courage and boldness. Embracing of moral wholesomeness and achieving purity of thought through education and betterment. Abstinence (self-control, opposes gluttony, ) — Constant mindfulness of others and one's surroundings; practicing self-control, abstention, and moderation. Liberality (will, generosity, opposes greed, ) — Generosity. Willingness to give. A nobility of thought or actions. Diligence (ethics, opposes sloth, ) — A zealous and careful nature in one's actions and work. Decisive work ethic. Budgeting one's time; monitoring one's own activities to guard against laziness. Patience (peace, opposes wrath, ) — Forbearance and endurance through moderation. Resolving conflicts peacefully, as opposed to resorting to violence. The ability to forgive; to show mercy to sinners. Kindness (satisfaction, opposes envy, ) — Charity, compassion, friendship, and sympathy without prejudice and for its own sake. Humility (modesty, opposes pride, ) — Modest behavior, selflessness, and the giving of respect. Giving credit where credit is due; not unfairly glorifying one's own self.

on the subject of drugs sometimes doctors and prescriptions are needed for people this is not discouraged at all, but needed for some people some of the people are under a doctors care for various things, physically and psychologically

and frickafrack, i have been with greasespotcafe for more then 6 years changed names i think 5 times cause i change too and i get tired of the same name sometimes but that's me

outofdafog and even frickafrack listen closely and silently please i crave release from the symptoms and that relief had come from alcohol i got addicted to it-mind and body the craving turned to craving for alcohol a change happened-a bad change term it what you like it is more then just a passing problem that can be remedied in a day i am working on reversing this process there is no quick answer to this major problem i do not like saying i am an alcoholic but i have to be honest so yes i became one and am one perhaps one day i will be able to say i'm not i pray that day comes when it is said in the meeting and to myself it is to remind me of where i am and what i'm doing focusing on alcoholism is what aa does it is it's primary and only purpose the problems that cause alcoholism are not fully known so the solution is not fully known either aa has come the closest to helping people stop drinking for life and stop the drowning person, the dieing life that is before them i do not want to have another drink again as long as i live in this life that's me i will get relief from the symptoms without alcohol or drugs aa is helping me find the answers a power greater then myself-a power greater then aa that's what i'm going to get-and am getting even now whatever anyone else wants to do is their business-not mine i know what i need to do and will do it and i am learning more everyday even if i wasn't an alcoholic these answers would still be helping me the answers are from a power greater then myself people are helping to point me to this power