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Yes could be the 'the fowls of the air' that don't sow reap or gather, is a bird of a different feather. Thus putting more weight on the 'your heavenly Father' feeds them. Making a another distinction even in the next line- 'Are ye not much better than they' Is that saying there is a difference or there isn't. Still it says quit worrying about yourself and seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness.

Seems i missed all these responses on this thread. Been working a lot. Thanks sirg..ugotit dude.. And FreeSoul, if you could not read or add words into my post they may make more sense to you...or not i don't know If there was not man would there even be a devil? If there was not man would there even be a god? Why is it that the devil is focused on? This is my point here. Why is there man? That's the question. Without man why would there be a god or devil. Why are they not considered to be something totally different then we were taught? Why are many staying with the same old god verses devil deal? People love the us against them characterazations. And I'm called an elitist? Or sound like one? HaHa...been called worst then that.

And I already made this POINT. Should have ended it with a question mark i guess... Cause you seemed to have missed the point.

Nice sirg... Can go quite a way with that one for sure. So George you want a point huh? Do you know everything that you have that you can not see? And if you can't see it, does that mean that it's not there? or you just don't see it? Another point- You can be thinking something right now that no one can see. Where do you see it? There's plenty of points to consider IF one wants to consider them. Don't have to believe a thing, or buy a thing, just consider. But many are happy in their own little thought life, and refuse to consider other thoughts. Which is fine with me. But don't tell me that there isn't more to consider. Cuz I already know there is, have seen it, experienced it, lived it. And that 'IT' just may be there for you, designed with you in mind.

Good point George and Exactly what I'm talking about. Do you know everything you have? Inside and Out? We'll probably never grasp it all.... That's why one can never really say they have the answer for someone else. It must come from within yourself and continue from there. I will not live in a bubble of someone else's idea or even my own. But will continue to explore the universe of the mind. Which is thoughts that are not seen....invisable.

Or no name since the names of God and Jesus Christ have been so abused. Not to slight who they are or what they do. But just to give the mind a break from fighting that which may be a hinderance to sound thinking.

Being burnt by a religion who claimed to know God and that you could know him too, is a major setback for most in their search for this God that so many say they believe. Or Jesus Christ in which many to profess to be their Lord and Savior. Religions are Gods themselves and to the extent that a person lets such religion decide for them what to believe it then becomes that person's god. It carrys with it more power then the person and is blameless because their is no end of questions being answered without any real solid proof or foundation. Most not all accept whatever religion offers of their choosing and happily-sometimes-moves on. Others of course are more deadly and harmful as we know. If one comes to the point of casting religion aside, I believe this to be a good start in actually evaluating one's beliefs. Assuming that this person still seeks this God. Let's change the name God and Jesus Christ to a name of your choice. Any name. Just to get the old religion thinking out of mind and be able to consider that their could be something that is there but not yet realized. I mean after all is said and done, in a few short years others will take this spot you now hold. You will be dead and others will question again. As it has been going on for a long time. And when we no longer appear to the living as the men and woman that we are now. Could there possibly be another side of the story of Man.

Blameing me for you not knowing something is pretty silly.

Yeah, no one wants their intelligence insulted, can't have that now can we. Lindy has a grasp on the matter as well as a few here. God loves a good riddle and a good riddle solved that leads to another. Why did God create the Devil? Why did God create Man should be the question. For therein is the devil. And God. And heavens and earth and all that is within it. And it's not how I sound so much as how it's heard.

So I should say I don't know when I do. And just because you don't see the 'bible' lining up with real life doesn't mean someone else doesn't. The bible isn't understood because few want to understand. Most want it handed to them, instead of working for it the way it says to get an understanding of it. Furthermore those who speak words that not only open the scriptures but the heart and life of God, are ignored.

Why do you George imply that everyone (or as you say 'religious folks') are saying what you say they are saying. Huh???? If I had the answers I wouldn't give them to someone who does not want them.

humbleness or meekness to me just means that i know i don't know and asking from that kind of heart from the heart not asking to lord it over anyone or asking just to know something i think someone else doesn't know and ready to change my thinking should that be required and it usually is

When it makes sense, you'll know it. This is what faith is in. That which has been shown to you by God. And it will most likely be senseless at first, or even a bit startling. If you are not getting answers, review the question and review what you are expecting. Cause it won't be what you expect, but it will be right for you.

I'm going to take this as questions about God. Yeah, ha, 'they' are not God. So 'they' can't answer any question about God. God can and does answer to the one asking God. People can only suggest or direct. And also people do speak being moved by the Holy Spirit even today. This is to stir up that which is within, and the answers will still come from there. When one stops looking to people for answers and choose God and ask. The answers will come. If one has the humbleness to receive it. So be careful about what you ask for, you will get it.

Wow Eagle, Seen in a different light. Your post has a lot to offer. Probably all the problems right there basically.

come on Mr. L. quit the double talk you'll get the same respect everyone else does it's you who lacks the courage to speak your letter says nothing your name is not important, neither is mine quit being so self absorbed and trying to hide behind other people this is how you were taught to communicate is it right? consider looking at it from outside your own interests --------------------------------------- dizzydog- Yes it does, I always must be doing something to get a clearer view.

1 John 1:5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Chapter 2 1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. This is the progressing growing fellowship-hand in hand love that has been missed by twi and probably most of it's offshoots. The lusts of the flesh have blinded many from this great truth. Electing to ask forgiveness, rather then accepting it in humbleness, has led to more and more sinning and asking forgiveness, and is a backwards progress into a growing hatred of Christ.

Billy D. This is not what the Lord taught nor does it have any biblical or spiritual reasoning. Since the Lord paid for our sins, forgiveness of them is an automatic. It's this kind of thinking and teaching that is killing true Love. Confession of sin is not asking for forgiveness. This changing of what was accomplished by the cross, and great lack of comprehending what was done, and spiritual ignorance from lack of spiritual sight, has and will continue to feed the carnal, fleshly based mindset. And quench the Spirit of God. Colossians 3:12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

the ces website- http://stfonline.org/ No real purpose is seen in any of it's pages. All I see is people being ordered to act a certain way. And believe what stf believes. Yes I think the individual growth of a person is paramount. But you can't grow in a box or cage like this. Everyone is different, therefore this should be respected. I do not see this respect at ces-stf whatever. There is no purpose to promote the individuals awareness of God or Christ or the Spirit. It's purpose is self centered on it's own choosing and not letting God work His way accordingly in a person. They have chosen the path that God is to make. Big mistake! Why not just let God work His way in a person instead of caging him. You cannot order God around. Let God work his way. If one puts a person or group of people on a pedastal. They will all fall down. No one is any more important to God then anyone else. There is no respect of persons in this regard. And people should be treated for what they are. God's children. And receive His Kingdom God's way not man's way.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha yeah right.....as if..... they can argue over that one till they are dead

For the record I am not ckmkeon. Somehow somewhere someone thought I might be. Received a PM inquiring so I thought I'd make it clear. I'm not. This is a long thread so perhaps I even missed who was talking to who. Thanks socks, organizations carry no weight with me. Even ones that I'm involved in. It is the people and individuals that are important. And with common ordinary teamwork great things happen in individual lives.

Thanks Radar, but I've wasted enough time on cultists that don't want to change. There is one Jesus Christ who leads honest hearts to the truth. And my heart is just not into being in the middle of them. They should both know of Greasespot also. If they don't then they are truly blinded. And for the one, whoever it was that says there were leaders because there were followers. I'll say who was the one leading the ones that it says they followed. Leadership is leading by doing, serving, not doing it for you. Paul and others were observed and seen to be doing things. Others followed their EXAMPLE. That don't mean the followers duplicated their every move. And were not told what to do and how to do it. Such a finite limited view of Christ.

This only chapter 5 of Acts folks. Acts 1 must be attained. There is no group think as some would suppose. When will will a person learn to stand? There is no leaders-only servants.

Yes Dot, Twi and ces...though twi is afraid to move much... ces has moved into some things with a whole lot of guess work and as twi's tradition is-self-serving. Ces has taken Wierwielle's work further. Further away from exploring the true heavens and earth. Yet they parallel it in a crooked bent fashion that is detestable to Reality. God's reality which is the here and now. Everything in the bible and the books that could be written, as John says, is accessible now, by progressing into seeing the unseen and hearing the unheard. Hearing they shall not hear Seeing they shall not see The words are there, in part, but not the heart. God is the heart, therefore the heart is what sees God. God is the heavens and earth within, which is seen as reflection of the Spirit without. (please note I didn't say direction of the spirit but reflection)

Well outofdafog, I'm not apologizing to you or anyone. I know I come on strong. Sometimes that's what it takes if that is where I'm led. Seeing things and saying them will bring the heat on. I can take it. So regardless of what someone else may think I'm saying I'll say it anyway. Some get it, some don't. Don't know if any one does. But I had to say what I said so I said it. Still Love You, Still Care and Still a part of this here forum. Ces is still in the same rut as twi or a drunk. Take your pick. Consumed by self-importance and selfish greed. Talking about these so called leaders of ces. It's the blind leading good people into the ditch. And those who blindly support them. Peace to you outofdafog.