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where? Lev? naaaah that ain't what it's sayingYou can't change soul or spirit with something you can see. read a bit closer and understand and get wisdom some folks should just use common sense and quit trying to make more rules from the bible

Thanks for checking this out Roy and Chas.

24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

if blood transfusions changes your soul they would be doing it to murderers and criminals how silly why don't you get all hyped up on something that is positive in the bible instead of all this silliness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazirite 30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

well, don't bother sonofarthur.......... we don't see eye to eye anyway on enough to build maybe some other time peace

19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21And having an high priest over the house of God; 22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Here's the flesh and blood in Hebrews 9. And then there is some pure water. Water. 1 John 5:6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. Man, don't you see it? Jesus was a man just like us. He defeated death. Jesus became one with the Christ which was from the beginning. The first Adam, before Adam and Eve. And he finished 'it'.

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 21And having an high priest over the house of God; 22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Water, Pure water. Lots of work to get these to you :) just kidding...

KJV: Ac 20:28 28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. KJV: Heb 9:12 12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. KJV: Heb 13:12 12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. KJV: Re 1:5 5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil The same flesh and blood is what it sounds like. Note; children-plural-he also 'himself' singular If Jesus was taking anything or took anything it would be our sins - scripturally speaking of course. Matt 8:17That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses. KJV: 1 Co 15:3 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; KJV: Ga 1:4 4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: KJV: Heb 1:3 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; KJV: 1 Pe 2:24 24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. KJV: 1 Jn 2:2 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. KJV: 1 Jn 3:5 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. KJV: 1 Jn 4:10 10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. KJV: Re 1:5 5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, aahhh there it is - his own blood and here's the flesh Ephesians 2:15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

WTH, I don't know where in the scripture this would be. Could you point it out. You keep making these claims without any scripture. Not being nit picky just an honest discussion. Though no one has tryed to answer my honest questions. I must suppose no one has the answers.

o yeah ya got all this.... Lev 17:11For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. hmmm.....no pureness requirement here.

WhatTheHey- Matthew 27:4 Squeezing that verse to say what you said is a stretch. Got any other Word of God?

hmmm, yeah...Jesus telling satan who to worship and serve.....

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. knew- 4583 seleniazomai { sel-ay-nee-ad’-zom-ahee} middle voice or passive from a presumed derivative of 4582;; v AV - be lunatick 2; 2 GK - 4944 { selhniavzomai } 1) to be moon-struck or lunatic 2) to be epileptic 2a) epilepsy being supposed to return and increase with the increase of the moon. This meaning is doubtful as the Greeks knew nothing of epilepsy. 1st made- 4160 poieo { poy-eh’-o} apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary; TDNT - 6:458,895; v AV - do 357, make 113, bring forth 14, commit 9, cause 9, work 8, show 5, bear 4, keep 4, fulfil 3, deal 2, perform 2, not tr 3, misc 43, vr do 3; 579 GK - 4472 { poievw } 1) to make 1a) with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc. 1b) to be the authors of, the cause 1c) to make ready, to prepare 1d) to produce, bear, shoot forth 1e) to acquire, to provide a thing for one’s self 1f) to make a thing out of something 1g) to (make i.e.) render one anything 1g1) to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that 1g2) to (make i.e.) declare one anything 1h) to put one forth, to lead him out 1i) to make one do something 1i1) cause one to 1j) to be the authors of a thing (to cause, bring about) 2) to do 2a) to act rightly, do well 2a1) to carry out, to execute 2b) to do a thing unto one 2b1) to do to one 2c) with designation of time: to pass, spend 2d) to celebrate, keep 2d1) to make ready, and so at the same time to institute, the celebration of the passover 2e) to perform: to a promise For synonyms see entry 4238, prasso. See entry 5871 for comparison of synonyms. 2nd made- 1096 ginomai { ghin’-om-ahee} a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; TDNT - 1:681,117; v AV - be 255, come to pass 82, be made 69, be done 63, come 52, become 47, God forbid + 3361 15, arise 13, have 5, be fulfilled 3, be married to 3, be preferred 3, not tr 14, misc 4, vr done 2; 678 GK - 1181 { givnomai } 1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being 2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen 2a) of events 3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage 3a) of men appearing in public 4) to be made, finished 4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought 5) to become, be made

Hebrews 4:14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. 9:28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. More versions of the scripture can be found here- http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBibl...urrentChapter=4 Why does this say 'the second time without sin' about Christ? Was the first with sin? And how will he appear the second time? 'unto salvation' If it's 'unto' the second time, what was it the first? So Trinity? Well a threefold cord is not easily broken.

Unto the pure all things are pure. So if we have been, want to be, or will be. There could be something pure in all these different doctrines. And within our own selves

Not at all. Not saying I don't sin. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls...ned&spell=1 And why put it on me that I'm saying I don't sin? The discussion isn't about me.

I don't think this says Jesus didn't sin. It seems to say that when he was tempted to sin he didn't. Things were different after Jesus' death, even for Jesus. In other words, his death changed a whole lot of things. And there is a lot to reconcile.

hmmm not much to go on here sin entered the 'world' that doesn't force me to sin and so for Jesus to be "worthy of death" wouldn't he have had to earn death by sinning? Jesus died-my bible tells me so he had power to lay his down and take it up so Jesus would have had to earn the death wages the wages of sin is death

sonofarthur- Where did you get this idea? And as opposed to what kind of human? And it would be the same as whoever it speaks of here? and i don't see where we are ever told that we are in a fallen state at anytime in our lives. I don't buy the 'fallen state' theory

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Great Post TheEvan The cross and what happened there is a learning that is unlimited. What did it nean 'it is finished'. Anyeways - the topic. So many want to rely on what was taught them and will not go any further. Let's not stay in one rut...Rock on!

literal-figurative...ha! the bible is written in tongues- that whosoever..............