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the holy 'thing' is missed by most

what you understand the word to be saying and trying to say it in the only way you know

there's not anything to fear breaking the law of liberty.... you can't escape either heaven or hell they both catch you eventually the right state of love is correct wearword even in hell, cuz you can't get to heaven without it so many try to run from the devil though it's God that they are running from to turn and face both the dark and light will be eye opening for sure afraid of the unforgivable sin when one isn't quite sure what it is anyway to set one's self up as not touchable by darkness or evil is dangerous

your posts sound cute and all wearword, but there is no spiritual basis or logic to them this is your I (eye) at it's finest, staring right back at you read your own post cya later

If you look at a O from a different perspective it is a 1. Light and darkness, good and evil are all God. As well as death and life. For had Adam not died that day as God said and not died as the Serpent said. There would not be any Life in Christ which requires death. What God and the Serpent said are both true. This wisdom is from above which is within and without man and mind. Subject to the Lord coming from and in the mind as he chooses, not you or anyone else. Separating God from the individual is a mistake and clearly not biblical. To put God and the Serpent or Devil, separate from the individual is a cowards way out. Perhaps you don't see it that way WearWord, or realize it. But it puts you as God and and the illusion that you can control God and Devil. That you can control good and evil, light and darkness. You can't. God is in the light and dark, in good and evil, in the individual. You have set yourself up as a controller over God. At the will of your own mind rather then letting God work his work within. As he has and continues to do in all for them that love Him. there are so many walls you have built in your mind to block his coming. These walls will fall, for some great will be the fall of them. Your 'law' of Liberty, is not understood by you. Liberty has it's unlimited aspect as well as it's fruit that is listed in Galations. And that is not the only fruit there is of that which is within.

Cherished Child, This was my situation with the way's leaders that were in my area and the teachings and intimidations of the day. I was told many things about my son, what they thought about him. None of them were good. Had we stayed in twi, he would not have graduated, with the goals he has for sure. Many of twi's leaders do not communicate back to their leaders what really is going on in the fellowship. They are liars. Or just scared. You would think that after 20 years in the ministry the Limb coor. would have called me to ask why we left. But no, take the words of liars and thieves against an innocent man. I had leaders that thought my son was undisciplined and not smart and said that he would not graduate. Yes education from the 'world' was discouraged, frowned upon and despised by many that had their head up vp's or someone's ***.

As we all are and will be and have been.................

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thanks exc and all, been quite the deal, first male in my family-my side-to graduate and with high grades and then off to college though he gets to live at home computer science is what he will be doing..already doing really my second son is doing just as well..... he keeps thanking me..........i cry......don't know why.....

talking...tongues of men and angels comes from the tongue just listen closely to most anyone and one can hear, if you know what you are listening for putting away any preconceived notions of what it is and just letting it unfold there is no definition, there is 'now' and what is happening within if one can set their books down for a time and listen it's amazing what can be learned and what the books have contributed as well and more importantly what live people say to each other how long must one refer to books and be under the schoolmaster perhaps it's time to try graduating into actual real life encounters

That's cool Kathy, no prob. Might want to avoid some conversations...I do. Though some I know I need to hear. The sure thing is true but only part of the truth. There is always more. When the dark corners become open doors.

None of the three options have been proven WordWolf. The ones you listed including mine. The phrases used of Jesus' birth are used of other things and occurences as well. But for now I'm putting it on hold for me and may start a thread on it, much later. And perhaps it can be considered in a different light. And there are many, numerous things beyond scriptures, yet not leaving them behind to consider. If one takes the time and is willing to look at a few of them, I believe a more common understanding will be conceived. Even without anyone changing what they believe. It is possible to hear it out completely without making a decision either way. And like I said, I'm not trying to convince but to explain as I was asked to do. peace

And exactly where do you think I was antagonistic? Annoyed, yes but not antagonistic.

And I'll toss this verse in for all of you. John 14:26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. There is a place for scripture. It's not 1st place for me anymore!

You are not getting it either WordWolf. Where did I equate what I say with scripture? You and Larry are both jumping on my case for no reason. Just to show off or some bs like that. There is more to learning then 'tossing verses at each other'. Your damn straight. Did either of you two even look and read the links I posted? And I ain't too excited about helping anyone get it that ....es on me like this.

Yes, Larry, I do believe God speaks with people and by way of people. You misunderstand my post. And the entire point of my last post. And I never asked anyone to believe that God speaks through me. Where did you get that idea from? Why should you believe anything?

yeah well, if you don't get it you don't get it go back to tossing verses at each other still nothing solved where do you think the word of god came from? people speaking and they still do, the word is still being spoken and written

The problems will be answered and solved Kathy. You will see it for yourself. That's why i don't need to convince anyone. But I will speak as I believe I need to...another story... Love

Noone will be left behind Kathy, I know it's a common christian belief that some will not be saved and other stuff like that. It's simply not true. The teachings of Jesus and many others support that all will be saved. It's all in the perspective that what is said is seen in a different and new light rather then trying to literally obscure the truth, which no books can contain.

aaahhh yes..his coming....another perspective..and a big one... does he not come when our eyes are opened does he come for all at once or every person in order at his timing, it will happen for sure, for some it already has and continues as a thief in the night, and then the trumpets will sound soon there are only 7 tones, with different pitches in each is the ear open to pick up it's sound................the many 7 tones, 7 colors with many hues, 7 angels ready to open up his coming..if God is 'in the air' he is already here his coming will not be noticed by those that he is not coming to and the dead understanding will be raised to life in wisdom and temperance..

http://home.cinci.rr.com/mannix4/images/Mo...ould%20Rain.mp3

http://www.askrealjesus.com/D_NEWVISITOR/howsitehelpyou.html One of many websites that encourage us to look in different corners of our minds. There are many. How is it that the pure see God? How is it that we are to meet Christ in the air? Is it not all around us and in us? Why is it that we rely on anothers word rather then our own? A question that will challenge the few that dare to ask it. Is there really a New Heavens and Earth Now that can be seen? Does our Father bait and trick us? Would he not as a Father GIVE to those that ASK? A STONE of stumbling and a ROCK of offense lies in the scriptures.... As well as the TRUTH...but Truth comes FIRST then we see it in the scriptures. And in the writings of many that write today.

Kathy, not all that has been discussed on this thread is about the title as you know. I was challenged to present facts and documentation from the scriptures. There are none. The documentation is within the Spirit that is in Man. No one can tap it's resources as deep as possible because the resource is unlimited. The answers do not lie in books and texts and websites, hints and possible direction that's all, but in the minds of honest, thinking people who know that there is an unlimited commodity of information within ourselves. So rather then relying on ancient scrolls that are dead why not give the living a shot at giving some clues that will unlock another's unlimited resource. How Jesus was born is not the issue here imo. That which is Holy IS.

documentation...lol...texts...too funny... thinking-very few want to......... http://www.infidels.org/library/historical...s/16/chap4.html http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2006/08/20/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desposyni http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/ebionites.html http://www.africanhiphop.com/phpbb/viewtop...fc1a97252681ac9 http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Jesus_Christ http://actualfreedom.com.au/library/links/16-saviours-1.htm http://books.google.com/books?id=XDxGcRirr...tpLCnOqiig3zAh4 http://www.opensourcetheology.net/node/872

All of the above and whatever he wants to do!