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This is actually exciting. Being stuck in twi there are certain catch phrases we have to remember like the theme. Well i wont forget this one thanks Belle copenhagen

You have my prayers, quote by graucho Unions have become very weak over the last couple of decades true but in this case if it is the UAG group it could be trouble. copenhagen

I for one am upset. This is the one event a year I have to go to and let me tell you it is like watching paint dry. I am able to skip all events but the annv. I was expecting to see a revolution and excitment. Now all I get is the fox teaching, thats a fate worse the death. I am going to set up a po box and if anyone here is in the med profession please send me some stong drugs like when people have brain surgery. thats what I need. That can be my excitment.. copenhagen

Bolshevik so this change will happen in three weeks? Guessing or any inside info? copenhagen

Thanks all for the information and advice given. I am taking it all in. To answer a few questions I really dont know what I want. Well in the context I want my family out of the twi. That being said and not going to happen I really am not sure what I want. Mabye it is that feeling someone said I once had. Mabye its that sold out commitment I once had, but at this time in my life I really believe I could never sell out to anything again.Burn me once shame on u 2x on me. I am involved in a few things outside of the way and work. I make every sports event my kids are in. These things are great but I am a very passionate person and like to jump with both feet, give it my all. In twi that is not going to happen. Thus the void and trapped feeling. The context of money and 401k where people usually feel like their youth was wasted on twi, and are now older and going back to school and are years behind playing catch up. Yes I wasted time and money on twi events that I know cost me a promotion a time or to. I was told at work that if I could stay focused on work I could go far in the company. Well I went out WOW for the second time and never got the nod for management. God worked it all out and the guy who told me this now works for me at another company, not only am I the boss of him, I make more money and he is 20 years older then me. This is not a copenhagen is great and look at me, its a God will always take care of you. In all I did I know my heart was to serve God not the twi. That is why I feel ok with the time lost at my job. Whitedove said Nothing is worth staying somewhere where you are miserable. But the cost for change is sometimes high. Please do not take this wrong or as rude or ugly. My wife is wonderful she knows how I feel she hopes one day I will drink the Koolaide again and if I dont she will still love me and stay with me. She has for a few years. I believe her but I have seen the out come time and time again of couples were one is going and one is not. This is not a chance I will take. This being said we have our agreement and I know how the twi works. This subject is closed and not up for discussion or advice please. The cost is to high. copenhagen Whitedove, Thanks I like the song. copenhagen

This post is part of my heart and also might put some some light of where due you fellowship now. There have been many posts of where do you go to church and fellowsip now? I for one am still stuck in the way. That in itself is a whole long story. Point being are people looking for other churches or offshoots to find that same feeling or friendship?Or is it a soul searching to find where you can do your best for God? I grew up as a teen in twi and had many great times. The people were awesome frienships were special. Friends were made better then what school offred, they loved you for who you were,Gods kid. The pure joy of fellowship, the word and people made it exciting. The music was top notch, and everyone wanted to start a band write songs and show there love for God. Believe it or not I loved to go out and witness, I never beat anyone over the head I just shared what God had done for me and his love. There were always meetings or functions to go to (not counting the roa).Hundreds one meeting we pushe 1000 belivers. So many new people to share with and hear what God has done for them. I know my parents worked hard at these meetings and I put some sweat in there also, but it was a joy to give and serve. I felt that i was aprt of something special. These were the rose colored glass's I wore.. :) I was one of those that thought everyone was walking the walk that they were taught. I see with diffrent eyes now. I had no idea what was going on till lcm gaught caught and i found waydale. Part of my heeling process is to come here and learn the truth about the twi and see what really went on. Another part is to read about the wow or corp stories people share. The good old times I remember. People are often bitter of giving up there youth to the twi feeling it was a waste. I could be a lot further in my career now with out the twi, and have a better 401k and more money. I regret some but not all of it. Now days if one of the kids have a sniffle I use it as an excuse not to go to fellowship. The ony excitment is if I can get away with it. Witnessing, please I avoid that and always have to work. Music long gone no heart. Events and meetings same few faithful no new people. I would love to have that old feeling and fellowship they way it used to be. I have for a long time known its gone and will never be back in the way. Is this what people are searching for? I for one would love to have my kids grow up the way I did with all the belivers. this is a song by supertramp that sums up my life in the way When I was young It seemed that life was so wonderful A miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical And all the birds in the trees Well they'd be singing so happily Oh joyfully, oh playfully watching me But then they sent me away To teach me how to be sensible Logical, oh responsible, practical And they showed me a world Where I could be so dependable Oh clinical, oh intellectual, cynical There are times when all the world's asleep The questions run too deep For such a simple man Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned I know it sounds absurd But please tell me who I am Now watch what you say Or they'll be calling you a radical A liberal, oh fanatical, criminal Oh won't you sign up your name We'd like to feel you're Acceptable, respectable, oh presentable, a vegetable At night when all the world's asleep The questions run soo deep For such a simple man Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned I know it sounds absurd But please tell me who I am, who I am, who I am, who I am copenhagen

You say you want a revolution Well you know little b is the answer We all want to change the world You tell me that it's evolution Well you know We all want to change the world But when you talk about destruction just keep your eyes closed and wallet open Don't you know you can count on the fox to fight Don't you know it's gonna be all right just keep the abs coming You say you got a real solution Well you know we don't care what u think We'd all love to see the plan You ask me for a contribution Well you know We're doing what we can to suck the life out of u But when you want money for people with minds that THINK All I can tell you is brother M&A is coming Don't you know it's gonna be all right You say you'll change the constitution Well you know We all want to change your head just renew your mind to 35% abs You tell me it's the institution Well you know You better keep your mind on twi doctrine instead But if you go carrying pictures of rosie the fox You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow Don't you know it's gonna be all right I am very sorry to john lennon and the rest of the beatles I killed your song Songfacts: This was the first overtly political Beatles song. It was John Lennon's response to the Vietnam War. John Lennon wrote this in India while The Beatles were at a transcendental meditation camp with The Maharishi. The original slow version appears on The White Album. The fast, loud version was released as a single. In the slow version, Lennon says "count me in" as well as "count me out" when referring to violence. This gives the song a dual meaning. no duel meaning her no matter who is in charge they all lose. copenhagen

I WOULD NOT SPANK HIM !!!!!!!!!! COPENHAGEN

The fox has vast power in wayworld, fear and intimidation go a long way there. Here at the cafe the only power she has is that ugly face and sweet drawl... If that cant make you sick nothing can. copenhagen

Plant cameras OMG, I WOULD PAY NOT TO SEE THAT. I have heard of girls gone wild this must be grandmas gone wild. copenhagen

How much copenhagen comes in this pack? copenhagen

As much as I would love to see a change in twi, being stuck in it I think this will not happen. People in power will never give it up, it is a free meal ticket and the right to be a big fish in a little pond is all they see or know. I would like to see a coup just because it would give us innes some excitment a new choice of who to bow down to or pray for at fellowship. Or because divison would be good and bring doubt to my family. We agree sts are boring the fox has done nothing and the limb meetings have the feel and smell of an unflushed toilet left to sit overnight. People are great with a lot to give share and plenty of love in our state but twi love stinks. People are unhappy with the current flow of the minersty but will not leave. A change like this would further destroy the numbers or if there is no change people get older kids leave and no on new is there to replace the abs and twi goes away.. just my opnion, copenhagen

I wasn't spiritual enough to understand the deep meaning of ( insert situation) I wasn't spiritual enough to understand what just happended. This is a common saying in twi and even here at the cafe, is this just another way for twi to control people ? I know of many times someone gets a face melting for no good reason. Others who are around and blessed to see the spit fly off the mogs mouth say I guess I am not spiritual enough to see what just happended, but mr mog was so spirtiually mad he must be walking. It seems that this is an open book to over look abuse with out getting involved. I did not see the foul or even see that this foul was that bad to get your tale handed to you. I must not be spirtiual enough. It also seems to be a tool by leadership to get you to jump thru hoops, or follow blindly. I know people who to this day who are at the top of their fields in their profession buy in to this mess. Its the donkey chasing the carrot on a string he tries and tries but we know the design is to get the donkey to work and move and he will only get it when the master gives it to h copenhagen

They played some old PFAL and the Christ in you bit. Just an hour or so of VP, then pump you up in who you are in Christ. Then beg you to go witness. copenhagen

TheHighWay I believe they needed the wc like hitler needed the secret police the guestapo. This will give you power to spit from the big top or at a sts. Once your point is made the goons will carry it out. No mercy and take it to the next level. This will also kep the mog blameless. We advised but its not a twi policy to not buy a house. If any beliver wants to go in debt they can. This is only one example. Shout from the roof tops and have the wc enforce while keeping twi blameless. That being said there have been some great way corp in my life, a few butt monkeys also. One of my best friend to this day is way corp. I would look at the persons heart and actions and not lump them together as one unit. I have said before in another post you were required to be debt free to go to the adv class. My friend the wc of the branch leader knew of a couple having less then $10,000 in debt on a home he looked the other way and sent them to the adv class. Had the heart for God not the policy of twi. copenhagen

Listner if you recall every 3-5 years the VP'S will change. Nothing was said about the prez. She is a fox and I do not mean hottie..... She will not give up the power. copenhagen

THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON ME ALSO, LIKE THE FOX I HAVE A PLAN.. COPENHAGEN

I thought about the kids taking it to the next level. I know vp built the machine and lcm thought in his own twisted way with present truth, homo purge and no debt he really belived he was making it better. Under lcm we had 3 fellowships a week, one night to witness some really important meeting once a week and other things to keep us busy. On average it was 5 nights a week of twi. We were under a lot of pressure then but felt the need to serve the greater good of God and twi. Half the time we hated it but not doing it was not an option. The fox has not given us busy work, to much idle time will distact us from twi. That in combo with awful STS people are not as tapped in to the root as they used to be. My family has friday movie nights every week and the kids can now play sports. We have time for ourselves and family. When we are at the kids events we do not feel like we have to witness like we used to. The fox let us breath and now the level of commitment is way down. We enjoy this and as a result no new people for 2 years. I believe every leader wants to be remebered for something. VP built it in his own mind turned the world upside down. LCM confronted the world with the word and showed the world how screwed up they were. LCM lost tens of thousands of people but what was left would drink kool aid for him. They loved him. His books are still being used and he is seen as a fallen one not a cop out. The fox brought a chance to take a breath. That is not what she wants to be rembered for. At this rate the twi will be reduced to 500 people nationwide in 10 years. She has a plan. copenhagen

I had a great conversation the other day about twi. A few years ago with lcm in full power it was a very cut and dry twi. Bold full in your face screaming by way corp, fellowship cords spying on you. A good friend was hard to find because if they rolled you under the bus they were safe for a while. lcm lost power the fox came in and when she was given the title it was procfied she would heal the twi. Now here they are several years later and its a kinder gentler way. It really is in my area others may be diffrent. The local way corp drink the cool aid non stop but they are not like the way corp of old in the late 1990's. My point is lcm was so far out there with extremes and yelling and spitting people followed or were abused. The fox is evil and has a plan to put us to sleep and kill us with kindness. Then she will reel everyone in. Control is the name of the game and I wonder how long it will take till she gets off the nice kick and takes the twi in the direction she wants. A change has to come, there has to be a shakeup. Numbers are dropping, money is drying up. There is no showman like vp or lcm anymore, the STS are very lack luster compared to days of old by current followers. I heard very boring by several people. I actually heard one where the focal point to get your attention and draw you in with a story was a sewing emergency, could not get a double stich down. Please do not have another husband wife combo teaching these are long and people fall asleep. I know there are several people burned by her at the cafe, I think very little of her and have seen damage she has done to people that only God could heal. My context is to her being the spokeswoman for the twi. She has an agenda and I wonder how much time is on the clock because it is ticking. copenhagen

A little off topic but sticking to the point. I recall many years ago in my single days, as an 18-19 yearold kid that there were many hot young girls my age and a few years older. This was a wonderful time to be single with a 4 girls to 1 guy in our branch. Point is so many young ladies wanted to get hitched and dated outside twi. They dated outside of the way hoping to get them and get them in word. They got pregant then hitched. They were atracted to the older guys who could provide for them. In all the cases above twi lost several young women to unbelivers who they married and stopped coming around. I think at this time I was in to deep because the only girl I could get to spit on me was if I was on fire was the a beautiful young gal with a heart of gold. We dated a bit but her goal was wow and corp. I at the time a full time student and window washer was broke and not able to spoil her not that she wanted it. Most of the young women went with guys that had some fiancial stability at the time. Soon after this year or so of losing 5-6 woman the edict came down only date belivers. Any two belivers that love God can make a marriage work. I am sure it was stated before but now encouraged and enforced. Only date belivers. This leaves the pickens thin in some areas and a lot of people setteling for a mate. CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL THATS TWI POLICY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COPENHAGEN

Michael B Your washer and dryer do not eat socks, Opra told women years ago to steal them to keep us guys guessing.. copenhagen

What was the twi"s defination on porn? I ask this question because in the early 1990's I was helping a branch cord who was way corp move and I dropped a box and when it split, low and behold there were a few movies and mags that were most definatley not way mags. I was thrown off a bit and he said just keeps the old sex life spicy. I know from the top down in the 1990"s they were perverts but what was the stand on porn? I can not and do not want to imagine RFR watching porn with the directors. copenhagen

Worst was rise and expanction. Waste of a good football weekend. Could hardly stay awake do not remeber what was taught. The best part was when we went out to speak the word in two feet of snow. We were to have goals and I wanted to see signs, mircales and wonders. I was assigned with so corp lady on the field that year. She would not stop talking to people even if they said no. We ....ed off everyone in that mall because she was so confrontational. When we were leaving people threw snowballs at us. I guess my wonder was we we not ran out of town. Another was pfal. Why was it that the always had one bathroom. In the 15 min break there was always one guy that would destroy it, while five others were were about to pee their pants. Why not put in a candle. Walk in love please. One time when I was young and single I walked in behind the mass destruction and had to hold my breath to avoid throwing up. Well when I get out these two hot college girls get one whiff of death from the bathroom give me a look like I am a pig and walk away. All I can say is it's not me. copenhagen

Belle I agree and it all started in the late 1990's when after fellowship people would have fun share their hart and just talk. Then the rules came down that after fellowship we should talk the word, what blessed you the most and how you can apply it in life. This came after a teaching about witchcraft. King Saul messing with the witch. I looked at my friend and said lets go get a book on spells. That did not go over well. Since then everyone blabs and rehashes the teaching. Any party is the worst. I once invited a coworker to a superbowl party. He showed up with a 12 pack, he tried to hand them out but no one would take a beer but me. He wanted to talk sports because his team was playing but everyone else was talking about the bible. He hit the food table had a beer and left. I got a talking to for not telling him not to bring beer. This party was made up of the most non-football fans only there because the branch leader thought this would be a good outreach tool. One guy came and blew out. I have always blew off way partys for that reason. My favorite was a new years eve party where we prayed in the new year. A party is a party lets have fun.

Last summer I went to a good friends house to help him fix a boat. This is not exactually a nice looking boat. To me its old, smells funny has torn seats and needs a paint job. To my friend this thing was the best ever built. As I started to tackle the engine I knew we had a few problams but nothing I can not fix. As I tackled the engine all I heard was where it has been and what it had done. It had logged a lot of hours over the years and seen better years. After two weekends she was ready. I asked if the radio worked and if he had a cell phone because I had no desire to break down on the ocean. Long story short I fell in love with this thing of beauty, she hit every wave smooth, handled like a dream and you had no fear of the water you knew she would take care of you. I felt craddled in her seat like in my mothers arms when I was little. A few months later I was hearing a teaching about each one of us has a gift and a longsuit. Do not hide it, let it shine. Go out and help others with the word. You have so much to give. The message was not holding back or letting any thing hold you back. Then I started reflecting on all the people in our area and their longsuits. Countless people who used to be fellowship cords, wow vets, way corp. The long suits were termendous. Knowledge of the word in the old and new test. Ministries of healing, love, witnessing and undersheaparding. Most I have seen on a first hand basis. All these people were put in a box by twi. Busted back, dropped from status because of debt or silly rules that change on a whim. Spirits broken if you can understand. These are still good people who if the twi took the chains off spirtualy and emotionaly could have 5 new fellowships in 6 months. I see my friends boat as these people. A little love and a chance and look out. They just need a little love and fixing just like the boat. I thoght just buy new one why waste money on this pos.My friend saw the beuaty and knew the small investment would pay huge rewards. All these folks are sold out to the twi and would love to shine again. Sadly though the eat sh_t and still think what could of been or what might of been. copenhagen