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You got that right lindy. They do not want to bee seen as the bad guys. Where there is a will there is a way out, I just have.not found it yet. copenhagen

Every now and then I come up with plans in my head to get my entire family kicked out of the way. That is the only way they would leave. I look foward to that day and I would not go with out telling them how i really feel. I would make sure I was never welcome again... copenhagen

DOT, BLESS YOUR HEART YOU ARE A WONDERFUL WOMAN.. PRAYING.... COPENHAGEN

DOT, I have been in love twice. First time I was young and dated a girl for a while, things were good but I joined the military to see the world. We remained in contact and I was very lonley overseas. I wrote when I could, we had several visits over the years. I fell for her hard and as I was waiting to get out I asked for her hand and she accepted. Six months till my freedom and I could be with her, I set her up in an apartment so she could get away from parents. Fast foward to my end of active duty and I show up one week early.DD214 in hand ready to start our life together. Our apartment has her boyfriend living there, driving my car and she maxed out my credit cards. I at the ripe age of 23 knew I would never love again and be alone. I never wanted to be hurt again. I dated a few girls but my heart was not in it. Then a few years later I met my wife. Your life is diffrent then mine but what I guess I am trying to say is I was not looking and did not want to be involved. I was content with my life and hobbies. I had friends who kept me from being lonley. Then when I least saw it coming I found love. She loved me for me. God knows what the future holds for you, have fun and smile. copenhagen

Brushstroke, Take all the advice given here at the cafe and consider one thing. If she will not budge on her twi doctrine where will it leave you? I ask this question only to get you to think. All of what the other posters are saying about twi is true. You have described my wife perfectly. Mother knew vp, raised from birth in the twi. Can not have a logical conversation about relgion with out spouting way doctrine. Can not see past way doctrine. Can not consider way doctrine could be wrong. That is her bad side, her other side is she is the girl everyone wants to be around. Every one likes her. She see's the best in you. Builds you up, takes care of you in all aspects of life. My problam is 10 years ago I wanted out of the way, she will not leave. The way int is ingrainded in her. TWI equals the only way to God. With out the way there is no walk or fellowship with God. If you take the way and all of its doctrines out of her, she in her own mind will lose God. There is no diffrence between God and the way. It is your choice hers has already been made.. copenhagen

I am asking because I do not know. How many Wierwille kids and grandkids stand with the twi. I really believe no kids do grandkids ??? Who is Luke Somerville and where is he.Whos kid also? copenhagen

(How could such supposedly wonderful christians become cruel and abusive, in spite of their most earnest efforts to be of the *spirit*) RASCAL Well if you are lost and you have a good leader he will get you out of all kinds of trouble. I have a little military background and I have met fine military people that could get out of any mess under hostile fire. There own well being put to the side in one group effort to get everyone out, safe back home. In these situations you have no agenda but work as a team to get to safety. Well in twi you had lcm, not a leader but an idiot. In his duress (pop) I read he wanted to quit and later was on antidepressents. No care for others he could not care for him self. He is not a leader never was. Then introduce lc, branch cord's and who ever else drank the kool-aid and you have your(their) own agenda.= the crulity and abuse. Very few loved many ruled with fear to keep people under control. Then idiots who on the good old boy system rose in the corp ranks followed every thing lcm said to the letter to make life spiritually suck for others. Many good people were castout (the lucky ones) and others put thru HELL. copenhagen

Wonderful and scary topic Rascal. Stealing from other posts. Our background and upbringing have a lot to do with it. Most of us were looking for God, twi seemed to dazzle us with some scripture never heard before. The local people were loving and cared.We quit school or a good job to go on some outreach bs program. We moved, were sent, or followed leadership. We woke up one day and everything had changed, we were on our way to the promised land(ha-ha). Fellowships were not loving. love was replaced with fear. Fear lead to constant reproof. Reproof lead to home invasions and schedueling that must be sent to leadership. The ride spun out of ccontrol and when we slowed down instaed of feeling better we saw what road we were taken down and we were lost in a life of how the hell did I get here. No more its christ in u, you are a son of God, love from people. Now it is obey, follow, questions are discouraged. To question is to disobey. Love was replaced with fear. Friends would turn on you so they would not feel the wrath of leadership. (What is it about twi made us vulnerable and willing to endure the horror?)rascal We were sold out by now and gave up our friends and family, we were all alone with out twi. We were kept so busy with 3 fellowships a week, plus witnessing plus cord meetings. We kept waiting for it to get better and it did not. LCM was coming up with new light ( pure bs) we thought we were in it for God but twi owned us. (Why is it that the actions enforced in twi still eat at so many of us 20 years later sad.gif)rascal Because we gave our heart lives and every ounce of free time to twi only to look behind the curtain to see no great and powerful leader but a man. A man that cheated on his wife, took advantage of his sisters in christ and treated people like ..... A man who did not live the word but abused people with it and made us feel like we had to be so much more spiritual like him and he was a fake. We lost our child like faith to fear and mistrust, and it makes it hard to trust again. copenhagen

Not wanting to start a war with Canada, but if the Fox is an officer in Canada they can have her. copenhagen

Still being stuck in the way I am often subject to good old life lessions usually followed by vp or lcm propaganda. Plus some other topics here. Fact or Fiction (and please feel free to add your own) LCM was a great football player for Kanas ? I have looked for his stats and seen none. VP worked with Billy Grahm and Oral Roberts? (or just never stole their research) VP was given the keys to the city in India? Red drapes story? God told VP HOW TO MAKE OIL?(HA HA HA) I know the answers to these questions and think fiction. Is any one out there that can back up these bedtime stories of the greatness of the way leaders? Just wondering. copenhagen

Thanks all for your replies. My wife is the type when the yelling starts she folds up and tears flow a little, when we are done with the talk she sobs a lot then gets mad. I believe I have grown from the rants of leaders. I recall one time we were in the app corp and this SOB was ranting at us and I knew he was wrong but I like a good little wayfer was speaking in tounges for him to see my heart and that I was trying to do it correct. It had no effect and this went on for 30 min. Since then you lay in to me I blow it off but if you raise your voice at my wife I lay in to you. This has helped leadership lay off us and stop having us do things we dont want to do. copenhagen

I work for a rather large company one of the biggest in the U.S. the down side is I have to many people over me. It seems that I have a diffrent boss to report to on just about everything. I was talking to my boss this morning and our boss came in and had a LCM fit. Spit flying F-bomb droping, make you feel like a child meeting. My boss who is a grown man was just about in tears, he was ready to leave because he has never been talked to like that in his entire life. He has been in many meetings and around in the corp world. I was not fazed in the least bit. My boss was amazed that I could take it and not think this guy was an a-h###, and my feelings were not hurt. From this meeting I got the nod to work on a new project by the boss because my boss could not handle the pressure. Has this ever happend to anyone ? I know I was trained the twi to eat crap and say thanks it tastes good. I wonder if I am emotionally damaged to feelings sometimes. Any stories or opnions? P.S. I have about thirty people directly under me but I never lose my temper with them. I always look to help and consider their feelings when I talk with them.. copenhagen

GREAT POST DWBH. Love to hear your opnion. copenhagen

Do not forget McDonalds. Doc Vic also laid claim to know how to invent oil.. The things we bought from the way is crazy. Side note any New Yorkers ever get an offer to buy a bridge from a limb cord. copenhagen

I also think it is a personal call. Yesterday wife got a wild hair to clean. Next thing you know its time to practice what u harry said and burn the chaff. She read in the uncle harry book about if phyicals are not in order spirituals can not be in order. (was watching football did not hear much). I for one think if have some stuff and do not want to part with it that is ok if it is stored properly. She wants to travel light. copenhagen

I am looking for opnions on traveling light.A.K.A. uncle Harry day. I for one still kick myself for burning all my old records, ahh the 60's and 70's music was wonderful. I threw away to much stuff I would love to have now. Another thing What I am looking for is how much is to much? Kids do not need 25 trucks but what is a proper balance? Wife is on a pre spring cleaning kick. I do not consider my self a pack rat but I like old jackets I do not wear or snow boots in the basement. In the basement I like having stuff just in case. That is why I have a basement. She knows we are not going to move, but the burn the chaff is on. I can save most of my stuff but I wonder about the kids. Our basement is the toy room and play room and its not that bad and the kids do pick up their stuff. Plus I do not like other people telling me what to do. Wife is sold out to way doctrine any balance would be helpful. copenhagen

I think I follow what you are saying and agree. During the height of lcm power in the mid 1990s we were family app corp. I came to hate Thursdays, Corp night was was Wed and every new F*&&*# Lcm doctrine came at corp night. Well every Thursday I would get a phone call to explain how messed up I was and that I would be dropped from family corp if I did not get my sh t together. Best part was I never heard of these new rules till then and was accountable and reaping the a// chewing. copenhagen

Get a box or two of moth balls, depending on who larage the attic is and spread them around. The little guys can not stand the smell and will leave. Your house will smell like moth balls for a week. copenhagen

Belle I love it, that is funny. I was on a bus trip and had to fly cross country and had one of those people keep talking. This guy would not shut up, after 5 min of talking he said what do you do for a living? First thing out of my mouth was I am a cult leader, do you know about your lord and savior jesus christ? He shut up. copenhagen

COPENHAGEN It is what I have chewed since I was 14. I was at a party we ran out of beer so a buddy said try this, it will give you a buzz. It did and I have had it ever since. copenhagen

I was 3 years and 6 months to the day.. When I was 2 my grandmother got me a bear that my mom said I took everywhere. On my lil brithers birthday he was one year old and we went to another state, to visit my fathers old army friends in a park. There was about 15-20 families there. That day I lost my bear and cried what seemed like for ever. I remember the park and the slide. I do not remember how I lost that bear. copenhagen

HAPPY D DAY !!!! LOVE YOUR INSIGHT AND HEART. COPENHAGEN

OLDIES See my post on the other thread I stand behind it. You are sick. copenhagen

OLDIES QUOTE I don't know why he had to use drugs though; he had all the women without them. That was wrong for sure. But maybe he did it just to loosen them up? You know the uptight ones. I never tried it, but I heard that some of these date rape drugs enhance the sexual desire. Sort of like a sexual aid. BTW most if not all men fantisize about young women. That is a fact of nature and any guy who disputes this is either lying or gay. WTF OLDIESMAN 1 POINT FOR BOTH STATMENTS IN ALL YOUR WISDOM AND GLORY TELL ME IN PFAL YOUR DOCTRINE AND BIBLE WHAT IS THE KEY TO POWER ? THE RENEWED MIND. CALL IT WAY LOGIC OR WHATEVER U WANT. DRUGING WOMEN FOR HIS OWN LUST. FANTISING ABOUT WOMEN YOUNGER OR OLDER TO MEET HIS PERVERTED NEEDS. WHERE WAS HIS RENEWED MIND, ITS ONLY A THOUGHT AWAY? YOU ARE A SICK PERVERT AND ONE DAY U WILL BE FACE TO FACE WITH THE BIG GUY AND HAVE TO EXPLAIN YOUR THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS. GOOD LUCK. THE ONLY ONE WHO NEEDED A SEXUAL AIDE WAS VP TO HURT, HARM AND EXPLOIT WOMEN. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE CRAP YOU WRITE? IF I DID NOT LIKE TO COME TO THE CAFE I WOULD TELL U HOW I REALLY FEEL. I HAVE A LOT TO SAY BUT FOR LEGAL REASONS I WILL HOLD MY TOUNGE. PS I BET U ARE A SINGLE MAN BECAUSE TO PUT UP WITH YOUR OPIONS OF WOMEN IT WOULD TAKE A MIRACLE COPENHAGEN

GreasyTech Ugly. Those brown skirts are hideous I think it might be the way the fox likes to have her women dressed. sorry to drail belle copenhagen