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Paw, I agree there are wonderful people here with great hearts. Thats why I come here. Like I said before I am not pushing for the inner circle just saying it would be nice. I am pretty vocal but not at the cafe because of the WGB. If I feel strong about something I will post or use a go between. I am just glad to have the cafe and all of the diffrent people here to learn from and share with. copenhagen

Ex asked (Being able to share more openly and not having to have a person as a go between would be nice. what do you mean right there, dear copenhagen ?) There has been a few times I had detailed info on people or a situation that came up at the cafe. If I openly post or say what I want it might give clues to my area, state or who I am. This info was was about a person still in the way and they were a leader. I gave another poster who I trusted info about this person and a few bone head things they just did to hurt people under him. They in turn told the story here at the cafe keeping out certain things to not give to many details. This poster could of never had that info because they were out of the way and I am sure the WGB knows who they are. If I openly post some things, they could find out who I am. I am sure I would be in a sit down with leadership real fast. Thats why I need a go between. copenhagen

I am not pushing for an inner circle. I guess in a perfect world I would not be in the twi, the next best would be a place like the cafe where I could share more openly. I understand any time you expose your self on the internet or any open forum its on you to not give away to much or run the risk of getting caught, exposed or whatever. It would be nice because the old cafe here is a haven for me. In the past I have sent pm's other members who I feel trustworthy to share some things or information I felt was important to add to a topic. I have chosen wisley but if I didnt it was on me. I know the risks of being in the way and coming here and its a choice. The cafe is like a real fellowship, I learn from lots of diffrent people, pray for people who have needs and learn all about the ways dirty little secrets. At the cafe you hear lots of diffrent opnions and see diffrent points of opnion its a good thing. Being able to share more openly and not having to have a person as a go between would be nice. copenhagen

I am with Mr. Mosh I come hear just about 5-6 days a week read just about everything and have lots to say. Problam is I do not say much or respond to things very often. I also have family still in and would choose them over being exposed. When I leave it will be on my own terms and hopefully with the entire family. I would love to say more or tell what I know about the way but I have to be careful. If it happens count me in. copenhagen

There are a few new people every now and then. They never come back, if the do its usually 2-3 fellowships and they are gone. What I think is funny is one ast fellowship cord is a big computer geek and all he talks about is things on the net. I really think new people talk so much computer with him and go home google the way and find the old cafe here. .... there pants and never come back, its been several people who loved fellowship and the people only to vanish and and never return a phone call again My wife knows how I feel to a certain degree and is waiting for me to have trust and confidence in the leadership and the way again. She thinks I will wake up one day. Other family is clueless. Do not want to give to many details WGB and all copenhagen

socks, wife, children and family all drinking the kool aid. copenhagen

outandabout, Dead serious We have the word and a great hh to bring people to we can fix their problams. We are the only place where their needs can get met. Guess they have not read Dontworrybehappys thread about counciling. If you would like outandabout you can be my personal guest on Sunday for fellowship. That is if you have any needs. copenhagen

On Sunday I got up early and did a few things before fellowship, This extra quiet time with no kids was peacefull but gave me to much time think. The one thing was how much I hate the way and going to fellowships. I made a mental note to see what they were. Please feel free to add yours. The long drive with gas prices these days. How the house is not kid friendly, little people need to feel comfortable to. Way to many things to break. Tracking grass or dirt in the house you get dirty looks. Same old people no new all saying the same things Same old songs to sing Same up coming events( forced witnessing)(monthly sts hook ups) Same forced bless sharings Same prayers, I swear to God I could tell you what each person will pray Same things said over and over and over in manifestations Being told what to teach Same old sayings= we are the lights of the world,we are the only true hh. we have what people need, the presant truth, i want to thank you father right now way mag copenhagen

Jeff, I feel your pain. I never knew of any preditory actions till it hit my family. Leadership and I had a big blow out and this guy was moved to another area. I thought he was being moved to get help, he was just moved it seems i was not the only one who complained. Then the whole lcm thing came and I was shocked. I defended the way and all the leaders when co workers and non way friends saw things on the internet. I was so blind when the wap class came out it took 45 mimtues for lcm to start yelling. I wonderded why it took so long. I drank the kool aide and loved to here him yell. It made me feel so special to be apart of the one true household, I was with the ministry who had a direct line to God. My world was turned up side down. With in a week i found waydale and it all came to gether. We were fooled, lied to and put in the dark. We were pressured for more and more abs so God would not spit on us. We lived in poverty, gave up all are free time to witness, run a class or clean the limb home or watch thei kids. While we gave till it hurt and sacrificed our spouses and negelected our kids, they played, took vacations and chased women then covered it up all with our abs. I was fooled and admit it. I promoted the way and its doctrines while they violated our sisters in christ. I sat in the back ground while they tossed out our brothers and sisters when they were done with them and could not keep them quiet. I regret those things and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But what hurts more is still being stuck in the way. I hate them and cannot promote their doctrines. Fellowships are so fake, same prayers same people no growth. I hope this helps, I fell I have babbled on for to long Like you ihave tried to make amends with all I hurt. copenhagen

What about putting a string down to line up the chairs??? copenhagen

rolling stone song you can't always get what you want I will give this as a free one or waysider jump in copenhagen

Not wanting to derail the other thread about JAL's new letter I will write here and ask a few questions. Who is this guy? I mean really I am stuck in the way because of family. Point being if we ever got out and the wife wanted to get those old way warm fuzzy feelings I know I would end up in an off shoot. That being said once bitten twice shy Lets look at the track record Was big wig in the way but exposed evils. Did he help himself to some young girl? Because his wife at the time was pimping for people. She seemed to repent in Ralphs interview but what ever happned to her???? Did they divorce because there is really no mention of her? I thought a man of God was to rule his own house well.... His off shoot still loves doc vic and feels he would be proud. He gets a new wife but gets rid of her because of pressure. Spiders and snakes o my . Step right up and get your own personal prof . Then he gets back with second wife. Off shoot has law suits and spiders and snakes. This &hit is better then Days of our lives. Now if I took piffal and want the warm fuzzys of the old days come to him... At least the way will love bomb you and make you feel good and hide the dirty little secrets well. STFI has issues up front.. Anyone care to comment??? I will say he is man enough to give his e-mail and phone number. That says a lot in my book. P.S. I never met JAL he was gone before I got in the way and I never heard his name till I found greasespot.. copenhagen

JavaJane, I agree with you 100%, my kids have a balance to life with sports and school activities. Movies graded according to age and its rating. Sex no violence is ok most of the time. The example you shared I have seen many times over. The way puts a sranglehold on life but it is what kids need. In our area the parents give them freedom just not the exposure teens do not need to see. I guess my area is lucky because what you described we all have seen, so we teach them to think not blindly put them in the corner. copenhagen

Growing up in the way has pros and cons. I was never raised in the way, my life sentence started in my 20's. That being said the world is crazy and kids nowdays have a lot more life experience a lot sooner then I did. The postive is my kids usually only hang out with other way kids. I can trust the way kids a lot more then others. Waykids take care of others way kids hearts. They are postiveand supportive. If something comes up you know the parents will get involved and get the truth. This superior thinking or mindset of way parents helps limit what boundries kids will push if they know their parents care and stay involved in their lives. All my kids have never been in trouble did drugs and get great grades. They also are very caring and do not have an eliete attitude. Trust me drugs and sex are everywhere it started in middleschool, and got way worse in highshool. We live in a good area and our school is in the top five in the state. The downside is at times they catch some grief from other kids because we will not let them go to wild parties or just hang out at the mall. I do not feel they are missing much because,what they want to be exposed to is what I regret doing as a teen. In the big picture of life, I hate the way int and do not trust their doctrine and leaders. I hate that my family is blind and still drink the kool aid. If I can see one bright side to it,it is that this little cult from the arm pit of Ohio helps keep my kids away from the madness of the world by giving a safe haven and great group of friends..... copenhagen

Happy Birthday, I guess everyone knows you have great taste in music.. copenhagen

I do not know if this fits or not.. I was at this melt your face meeting where this poor guy was called on the carpet in front of six or seven people. His wife was in the limb leaders ear about how he was not livin the word. He was M&A that night and told not to take any money out of the bank. He was told he could not go home the believers would bring him his stuff. He had no credit cards to rent a room... This poor guy had to sleep in his car for two days till he found a couch with a coworker. His wife was so happy she had a spiritualy clean house she trew a party for the branch. He lost everything he owned and his to kids..... The good news is he lost his wife who was and still is a bi#%*... copenhagen

Great point JJ, I have seen it happen several times. People with great hearts breaking bread and helping anyway we could. If anyone needed help, no problam everyone pitched in. Then an area gets way corp, because it is growing. Might I add doing fine with out. The wc feels the need to set an example of some poor guy and light him up in a big meeeting. This then turns in one on ones with familys and singles. After 2 weeks of meetings everyone turns on eachother, to avoid the wrath of new leadership. True story, 2 twigs about 28 people, with kids about 45. These are faithful believers and add about 5-7 every now and then people. For the longest time no way corp. Them some are sent. One guy who was a sold out to the way had a very good job, made 100k easy. Problam was part of his job was to take out clients and smooze them. First week he was labled a drinker and told not to go out with his clients and drink. He put up a fight and tried to explain it was his job. M & A and trashed. People were now scared because this guy was commited and now called devil spirit influenced. Meetings come with every believer and they share one time another believer did this and the witchhunt begins. Every one was telling all about eachother to keep the heat off them. Before if you needed help with yard work fire up the bbq and have a work party. This was replaced required clean the wc home every two weeks. Before if you need some one to watch the kids, no problam bring them over. Next thing you know you are watching someones kids because they are being confronted or watching the wc kids while they confront someone. Hanging out and witnessing for fun was replaced 2 times a week or else. One year later 1 twig 12 adults 4 kids and the way corp. At least it was a clean household....... copenhagen

You are a brave woman. I admire your stregenth to tell the truth in the hope it will help others. I am sorry for all that you have had to experience, and your hearts desire was just to get to know God and his word. Wolves like vp and others who exploit women for there own lusts and greed one day will get what is coming. May your heart be healed and your book help others. copenhagen

BUMPY, did u say copenhagen? I will have a big pinch. copenhagen

Sorry I let it sit so long I forgot about this thread, I should of given a clue. copenhagen

Rick was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary. His wife was really angry. She told him "Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a gift in the driveway that goes from 0 to 200 in less than 6 seconds, AND IT BETTER BE THERE!!" The next morning Rick got up early and left for work. When his wife woke up she looked out the window and sure enough there was a box gift-wrapped in the middle of the driveway. Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran out to the driveway, and brought the box back in the house. She opened it and found a brand new bathroom scale. Rick has been missing since Friday. Please pray for him

I gave mine to a friend who was only to able to serve nine months as a WOW. She had health issues and her heart to serve was bigger then mine. She had to leave and it almost crushed her. I felt she earned one with God and gave her mine. copenhagen

TheHighWay, I know what your talking about. I once had the pleasure of working with this way corp guy. He was soooo drinking the kool aid he would come to work with teaching tapes and play them in the lunch room for all to hear. He set up a prayer list in the lunch room not to pray for people but to find their need and teach them the bible and tell them where they had weekness in thir life. Worst of all he would always say things like copenhagen comes to fellowship, he knows the bible. I never wanted to be somewhere else in my life. What a great day when he got fired. He had the nerve to try and get me to quit because that place was so spiritually dark. copenhagen

We were doing the door to door thing when we came across this nice gal. She seemed to like everything we said but would not agree to come that night or the next. We spent about one hour with her unfolding the great truths of PFAL. We were so convinced it was spiritual or a spiritual influnce keeping her from coming to hear the greatness of Gods word that we went back to fight for her. We showed up at here door the next day only to be greated by her husband who opned the door with a gun in his hand pointing at us. He went on to tell us we gave his wife nightmares and thought we were crazy. A few words were exchanged with the understanding if we ever came by again we would be shot. copenhagen

I put my name out for a WOW to use when he was looking for work, since I had worked for this company and still knew the managers. This guy was ap corp. This prospective employer called me after the interview and said I quote ( what the hell is an eliete spiritual man , sent by God to bring light to this area got to do with construction? ) I almost could not speak, but spit out so I guess he is not getting the job? The manager said he is not getting the job but I am calling him back to interview with my brother because he wants to meet the idiot that told me about how dark our city is and needs the bible. Then went on to say the RC church and Pope were evil. This family was catholic. He also said he never worked anywhere but hq.and was a son of God with all power. copenhagen