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Dover AF Base is routinely used to process military combat deaths, so it's not a far stretch to see that it would logically be the place the Jonestown people would be taken. Also, a mortuary in Oakland, CA donated plots for the remaining unclaimed bodies, to move them out of Dover. From this article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown it states Jimmy and Rosalind Carter's involvement with Jim Jones, and their apporval and help in securing the Guyanese property for him, pinpointing their involvement with his organization. Also not such a far stretch to imagine Carter would ok the military invlovement in transporting bodies back to America. This webpage here uses similar talking to points to what vpw used for the perceived CIA invlovement. http://abundanthope.net/pages/article_1993.shtml Hard to say whether any of that is real fact or not.

I do know vpw body guards would have taken a bullit for him, and would have defended him at any cost...I remember from the POOP papers that there was mention of twi trying to murder R*cardo C*b*llero...also, didn't someone here say that a couple of twi goons showed up at his door once because of what he said to one of the elitist leaders? There were murder threats against DontWorryBeHappy, sent in the mail, corroborated by a poster here who had conversation with twi insiders, and what about the suicides caused by vpw and & co who practiced the rape and seduction of twi women/girls? They didn't pull the trigger, but they had blood on their hands. Capable of murder, capable of a Jonestown?...might not be such a far stretch. What about the Malpack period, what would have happened if vpw got his wish and sent the in residence Corps into the "hills" to escape the perceived collapse of our govt? What would have happened to them? Makes you go, hmmm?

Great pics gc, the buildings behind the band look so regal, like they've been there for hundreds of years. Since our country's history is so short compared to Europe, we don't often get to see such architecture, although Washington DC does have its share, it's age is comparitively on the young side though. Twinky, some of the french bistro type restaurants here use the beef lard to fry their pommes frites, but most restaurants don't here, the food police would surely get them for it if they did..it does make the best fries though. Your roast sounds wonderful, but you shouldn't tease TLB, he might just decide to come over just to sample your cooking!

The Incredible Mr Limpet?

G-I think the shot is in California, there's a few oak trees and golden grass, and judging from the shadows, it's either at sunrise or sunset in the photo.....

Kristi Yamaguchi looks familiar, but don't know who it is...anyone? effs british horror film actress in the 80's? Too obscure for me.

Private Benjamin?

You got it Dooj, you go girl!

Born on the Fourth of July?

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The Flintstones?

Sorry about the thread derail, ok, Ill go. Ev'ry name's an alias, in case somebody squeals. It's the lure of easy money, it's gotta very strong appeal.

Rack is right! Ratatouille, you got it!

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Limbaugh is just another syndicated shock jock, cept he didn't go the way of Howard Stern, he chose politics instead, peddling the same dung though.

Sorry Waysider, maybe someone else can solve it, Doobie Bros was my best guess...anyone else have a guess?

Good point.

uh oh, that must be why I don't play this one very often, I'm going to offer a guess of the Doobie Brothers?

I just agree with WD on this one point, the People's Temple prided itself on being socialistic..it wasn't just talking points, they pursued Socialism as a lifestyle. Jim Jones taught Socialism as doctrine and that is why going to Jonestown was like going to Eden for the followers. I disagree with WD on the numbers of children accounted for, and I don't agree with the conspiracy theories...there are unanswered questions though. The way this stuff relates to us is vpw advocated Jonestown as a CIA coop with sinister ramifications which probably added to his parania about him being watched and twi infiltrated by the FBI, and added weight to his need of armed body guards-mcm*llin and later g*er. It also diffused the relevance and seriousness of Jonestown toward us if we could write it off as some kind of government subversive action. He probably got this information from that cheesy right wing magazine he subscribed to.

Um, Rocky, you know I hate to do this, but...I think WD is right...I can't believe I said that! :blink: Jim Jones did preach socialism and Marxism, was political and taught politically, also approved of communism, went to Cuba to attract converts, was suspected of being atheist, and taught atheistic doctrines, including ones where he called himself God. Check out what wiki says about them (wiki is not the greatest source but it encapsulates the whole lifespan of Jim Jones and the People's Temple), also, there are also some good reference points and click throughs that supply added evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple It is interesting to note that many gov't documents involving Jonestown are still classified even after 25 years and the Freedom of Information Act-they normally would be available-why aren't they despite many requests for them? I'm not drawing any conclusions here, many sources indicate more than 270 children were underneath the parents, but from viewing aerial photos of the suicide grounds it seems impossible to fit that many underneath those showing. Lots of unanswered questions. Here's a link to an interview with Jim Jones' son a few days after the suicides where he identifies their church with socialism. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27052411/ The mystery of who killed or how did the rest of the people die after the initial 409 were reported, is the main point of departure for the conspiracy theorists, for me, there is not enough evidence one way or the other.

Thanks Geisha, those recipe's look great, I will definitely try the chocolate pudding, its a wonder why these puddings aren't more popular here, I wonder if I can do this recipe in individual ramekins and not mess it up too much? I found another great fall recipe in this month's issue of Martha Stewart's Living Magazine, it's a twist on the traditional pumpkin pie. It has a graham cracker crust with a melted chocolate layer on top between the crust and the filling, and then it has melted chocolate mixed into the flling, with chocolate drizzled on top after it has baked: Triple Chocolate Pumpkin Pie Ingredients Serves 12. FOR THE GRAHAM CRACKER CRUST 2 cups finely ground graham cracker crumbs (about 16 crackers) 3 ounces (6 tablespoons) unsalted butter, melted 1 tablespoon granulated sugar 2 tablespoons packed light-brown sugar 1/2 teaspoon coarse salt 1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon 3 ounces bittersweet chocolate (preferably 61 percent cacao), finely chopped FOR THE FILLING 6 ounces semisweet chocolate (preferably 55 percent cacao), chopped 2 ounces (4 tablespoons) unsalted butter, cut into small pieces 1 can (15 ounces) solid-pack pumpkin 1 can (12 ounces) evaporated milk 3/4 cup packed light-brown sugar 3 large eggs 1 tablespoon cornstarch 1 teaspoon pure vanilla extract 1 1/2 teaspoons coarse salt 3/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon 3/4 teaspoon ground ginger 1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg Ground cloves 1 ounce milk chocolate, melted Directions Make the crust: Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Combine graham cracker crumbs, butter, sugars, salt, and cinnamon in bowl. Firmly press mixture into bottom and up sides of a 9-inch deep-dish pie dish. Bake until firm, 8 to 10 minutes. Remove from oven, and sprinkle bittersweet chocolate over bottom of crust. Return to oven to melt chocolate, about 1 minute. Spread chocolate in a thin layer on bottom and up sides. Let cool on a wire rack. Reduce oven temperature to 325 degrees. Make the filling: In a large heatproof bowl set over a pot of simmering water, melt semisweet chocolate and butter, stirring until smooth. Remove from heat. Mix pumpkin, milk, brown sugar, eggs, cornstarch, vanilla, salt, cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg, and a pinch of cloves in a medium bowl. Whisk 1/3 pumpkin mixture into chocolate mixture. Whisk in remaining pumpkin mixture until completely incorporated. Transfer pie dish to a rimmed baking sheet, and pour pumpkin mixture into crust. Bake until center is set but still a bit wobbly, 55 to 60 minutes. Let cool in pie dish on a wire rack. Refrigerate until well chilled, at least 8 hours (preferably overnight). Before serving, drizzle melted milk chocolate on top. Serve immediately.

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Becoming Jane?

You got it George!

Howdy, stranger. Looks like a wake. As a participating member of this ranch I think you ought to know that we're liable to lose over five hundred head of cattle in the very near future. they're already starting to eat cactus and loco weed. I know. I had a look at them the other day -- I think we better try and unload them. San Francisco. Why not see what price they're offering down there? I thought of that -- but we don't have the hands to get them there, no matter what the price. ..... We been waitin' for you, Pa. (looks off) Whooee. Who was that? One of Dan Cupid's henchmen. There were arrows zingin' all over the place. Maybe your bother was lucky to be out on the range with you. Your brother's workin' harder since he stopped seeing that gal, but he's sure harder to live with. I'm not sure which way is best. Neither am I. Neither am I