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Yeah! And, you had me at hello!

WKRP in Cincinnati?

It directly comes from the TWI falsehood of the "law of believing", an insidious, syphilitic lie that infiltrated every aspect of twi doctrine and culture. To fully understand it and unravel what it morphed to, read this written by John Juedes: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/editor...god-needed.html VP Wierwille's need for control, and his fear of death contributed to the contorted viewpoint that wayers share about sickness and death. It is a gross distortion of how believers are supposed to be loving, kind and supportive of those in need, and in no way represents godliness.

Yes, Home Improvement is right, George got the breakdown correct, and Ca_dreaming-you're up!

Is it?

I just read the reviews at amazon, they are obviously written by twi innies who are in a state of extreme denial. They cite her complicity during her years with twi, her lack of publically speaking out when she left, and why it took 27 years to go public as reason to invalidate the whole book as if these things take away from her credibility! On the contrary I think the"innies" complete Stockholm syndrome stance give credibility to her story and exemplifies how difficult it is to breech the lockstep mindset and brainwashing of cults and come out into reality on the other side. This deep denial by the innies also gives creedence to why it took her so long to come forward, why the descruction runs so deep, and why the healing process is so long. Her actions are typical of cult followers and sexual abuse victims. I hope that everyone here who bought her book posts reviews on amazon pointing out the nasty reviewer naystayers who describe the book as fiction, are still under the spell of the ghost of the cornfield pervert.

#1 and 2 are right, 3 and 4 need more work-hint-what are they?

Funny video. Tamales are traditional at christmas, but we always have them around, they freeeze really well. The favorite at our house are green chile corn tamales. Trader Joe's carries them, but they are also sold in grocery stores around here. They are labor intensive to make, but it's a fun project if you have help.

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Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy is the full name, although Anchorman is sufficient. My favorite line is "I love lamp." <_< You're up!

Let's go to Brian Fantana who's live on the scene with a Channel 4 News exclusive. Brian? Brian: Panda Bear Watch... The mood is tense; I have been on some serious, serious reports but nothing quite like this. I uh... Ching... King is inside right now. I tried to get an interview with him, but they said no, you can't do that he's a live bear, he will literally rip your face off. [to the Panda] Hey, you're making me look stupid. Get out of here, Panda Jerk. Great story. Compelling, and rich. ..................... Are you just looking at things in the office and saying that you love them? I love lamp. Do you really love the lamp, or are you just saying it because you saw it? I love lamp. I love lamp. ..................... You are not a man. You are a big fat joke. I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science. I will have you know that I have more talent and more intelligence in my little finger than you do in your entire body, sir. -You are a smelly pirate hooker. You look like a blueberry. -Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island? Well, you have bad hair. -What did you say? I said... your hair... looks stupid.

Incorrigible!!! You are so funny George!!! :P

Socks, I can think of no better example of what you describe than George Muller, who never, ever asked for money. Muller changed lives all over the planet by speaking for God and doing charitable things for people. He liberated and rescued tens of thousands of orphan children's lives from prison, the streets, and from terrible flop house warehouses. His work with orphans lives on to this day changing hundreds of thousands of children's lives, giving them a christian upbringing, education, and a semblance of normal life. Muller also refused the salary from his first pastorship at his first church because he felt it could lead to members giving out of duty rather than giving out of desire, something which he continued in his whole life. He also started a help organization that distributed free bibles, and which aided missionaries and christian schools without ever drawing salary form government or church to fund these operations, but were sustained entirely upon unsolicited donation. He traveled around the world preaching, retiring to his home church in his later years, teaching and helping there till his death at age 93. He is the example in recent time of what Socks is talking about. The House of Acts in Novato was another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Müller http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary...or_Showing_God/ Socks, I love what you wrote, it is something we need to hear.

Thanks George, it was nice of you to do this for me, I kept waiting for someone else to answer it. Is it Kiana's Flex Appeal?

Go lifted!

You are the Wiz, you got it, go George!

Happy Birthday!!! We're glad you were born!

Wow, they've actually done it before, it will be interesting to hear about it if they do it again and end up contacting GS members.

Here's a clue: A man regrets how his relationship with his dad ended, finds resolution playing a game in his front yard.

Ok, so is it legal to look up the program?

SpongeBob SquarePants?

Ha ha! They'll probably start a new recruitment drive and work real hard to convert old members back into the fold, using people as merchandise to feed the beast.

Tzaia, thanks for starting a new thread, I feel this topic begs discussion too. Twi needed a way to fleece the newcomers, why not charge $200 for this class especially since at least half of the people would be gone within the year. The excuses they used for charging for a class on the bible were foundless especially since the class was put together as a marketing ploy filled with errors propounded as the gospell, and subsequently used as an arm for vp to controll and manipulate followers in the twi culture. There was a lot of pressure 1975 when I first got involved to take the class, the personal benefit angle was highly pushed, donating money to newbies for their enrollment fees was discouraged, commitment was highly encouraged. There's a quote from this thread on this same topic of money, people and christian ethics- http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...riends&st=0 that I felt nailed it on the head so much that I made it my signatory statement for a while, it was: "No thanks...my friends don't charge me money for being my friend, my savior doesn't charge me money for being my Lord and God doesn't charge me money for being my God...If you want to charge me money for your "services"...fine...I'll consider you as I do any of my other bills, such as my electric bill, phone bill or rent...I'll pay you out of obligation for services rendered... ...but don't be surprised when I don't subscribe to your "business" and pay you nothing...you want to sell tapes and books and make a living out of it?...good for you...look elsewhere because I'm not buying stuff that God gives me for free..." For me, that says it all.

It is important that the dark hidden secrets of twi reach the light of day, are spoken about and stay uncovered. It seems a lot of the drive of twi boiled down to money, even with the current twi regime- keeping the money that they have now. The concern about the people was minimal, the broader concerns about the betterment of the world and your fellow man were minimal, the concerns about the followers relationship with God-minimal. Keeping the organization alive so that the money would come in is what we got, and using the people to that end is what it was all about. The fact that the words biblical research were/are included in the description of the ministry was a complete slight of hand con job. Penworks, I'm sure you saw this first hand, especially with the athlete's of the spirit declarations.... The AZ report above notes about 19 million invested in Money Market accounts, since these have lost at least 50% recently, the twi leaders must be in a real tizzy by now.