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twi's campaigns for their Truth and Love products should go through the postmortem process and customer testimonials and feedback will naturally be a part of the process.

yes there is. I was in twi and I was miserable with no way to break free. this site and the experiences of people who made it out helped me break free and start over. in my corporate jobs, the postmortem exercise was an important wrap for any product release, to analyze what went right and what went wrong. anything big, like involvement in a cult for one year or twenty, can take a while to understand, come to grips with, recover from. typically the results of a post-mortem are recorded for all to see, so everyone can learn from it if they want to. you also have the choice to ignore what's here and go somewhere else, bumpy.

that question wouldn't cover everything either. some people were sexually abused but not by ordained leaders.

I was told by LC if I got pregnant after committing to go in the corps I'd have to get an abortion or I'd be a liar because I'd be breaking my promise to God. I was also reamed by FC for trying to get pregnant with my second child because I hadn't discussed it with her.

Hammie, can you double check your thread link above? it looked like it was all about sports to me.

thanks for the clarification :)

yes, this is sexual abuse for sure. I'd be surprised to find out that women sexually abusing men (or other women) wasn't fairly common (I heard some stories), but I'd be equally surprised to find that it was as widespread as the male abusers.

to put my statement into the context I thought was obvious: in a discussion on the merits of SIT, who cares what VP felt?

if there was a box for leadership condoned domestic abuse, I could vote. luckily I was too much on the fringe and not in rez long enough for the predators to get to me.

thanks for the honest post, pond. you seem more like a real person now, and not so different from some of us who still need to cry and who are still getting over the fear. you were lucky to be M&A'd. I wish I'd been. I'd be a lot further ahead if I had been.

I for one am very glad you're so strong, rascal. if the bullies had run you off with their cruelty, I might not have been able to leave twi as quickly. your experiences parallel mine in so many ways and your testimony really helped me.

ugh, who cares what VP felt? what do YOU feel?

very brilliant, and I'm stunned someone could take one of Bumpy's random off-topic posts and give it context with the topic at hand... hats off, rhino!

WD, you claim the that facts presented by personal testimony are unprovable and therefore no good. why do you assume they're unprovable and therefore not factual? and your statements about LCM's deposition being factual, what a hoot! people lie all the time in court. it took me over a year to gather evidence that my ex lied in court twice, but I finally got him. with enough money, I think many of the facts presented by vpw and lcm's victims could be adequately proven, if by nothing else than the circumstantial evidence of many far flung victims recounting their personal experiences to a degree that leaves no doubt that a crime was committed against them by the same people.

so what's the point of this link, Bumpy? what are you trying to tell us? that the violent nature of the inner workings of twi were the true impetus behind the rapes and other sexual abuse by top leaders? [link that this post refers to removed]

yes, it's all been gone over before, and yet the burden of proof does not a truth make, nor is truth the relativistic concept some like to push when they're whining about people presenting the facts of their own experiences.

I'm going to treasure this statement for a long time. we all had to "be there" but we were all there at different moments, under different circumstances, experiencing the sick dysfunctions of twi individually. so many facts adding up to truth, there are. you just had to "be there", problem is we all couldn't be everywhere. how, oh how, will we ever know the truth? we can't, but if we keep sharing the facts we can get a little closer.

I would like someone to define truth... people sling it around like it's some higher ideal than honestly relating things that happened to us in twi... saying that this board doesn't have truth, what does that mean? that everything on here is a made-up lie?

1.) Why do you come here? I first started coming because I wanted out of twi and I was too afraid to leave on my own. 2.) Why do you stray? because the people here help me learn about myself and come to grips with what happened and how I ended up with no will to live. 3.) What would it take for you to leave? if it stopped being a place to talk about the things that happened to us in twi. 4.) Why do you post here or read these treads? it's a support group to me. I learn from people, and I want to help pave a path for people who will come in later who need to recover from the same things I do. 5.) What area do you post in the most? About the Way. 6.) Are the area's you do not look at? I don't have a lot of time to read so mostly I stick with About the Way. 7.) Do you go to other boards? Yes, I'm a member of several professional boards, a bbs made up of argumentative people with high IQs, and a NPD victim's support group. 8.) Do you take breaks from this place from time to time? yes, when I have too many things going on in life. 9.) Do you come here less than you did in the beginning? yes. 10.) What do you think of these questions? good ones, Roy. thanks for putting them together!

I agree with you waysider. facts, although negative, shouldn't be covered up because they're about some supposed christian group.

which is why I don't respond to him anymore. he's a waste of time.

no, it also has to do with whether or not a church wants to divert money from intended use to pour it into a court battle... so it is a combination of money and integrity. it's way cheaper to choose another name so you can still run your youth groups, support the local domestic violence shelter, sponsor a community gargen, whatever, instead of just supporting a bunch of lawyers. so the bullies win by default because defending legal rights costs A LOT of money.

ok, I get it. so the general populous sent in prayers, they were given to staff or in-rez who read and prayed, then they were symbolically burned... I have no problem with that, in fact it's what I was led to believe happened to prayer requests. I thought they were just getting tossed into the fire.

I guess that would solve the problem of having to read and pray.

I was told that prayer requests sent up the twi tree were handed out to in-rez corps to SIT for, like it was part of their job. did that not ever happen? I didn't stay in-rez long enough to find out first-hand. I didn't take that class, but I vividly remember someone who had telling me that as if it was a holy truth.