heartman

Whoa I think u are right!!!! Sorry gang i am getting some rest!

It is amazing how that doctrine follows the splinter groups around!

Walter does teach at other than Geer fellowships and has taught at mine----but dont tell CFF I might a nasty letter! OH NO!

[ "The other comment on the taped announcement by John was that it was NOT annouced at the Fellowship meeting on sunday at CFF---his comments were cleverly edited in later in the sound room---why was that?" WTF? I cant speak to what dancer is saying--I am afraid I missed that one as well--- However the announcement of the seperation for the Tampa Fellowship was not made at the Sunday Morning fellowship with the ususal annoucments, it was recorded later and edited in to the message with all the others giving the apprerance that it was done with the other announcements. I find that disturbing since that really should be done properly. I imagine that JS probably worried long and hard about his decision to do this espcially since several of the BOT may not be on board with this, but with the letters and the tape announcement CFFM has definitly shifted the policy from loose association to exclusive. Tom I know that you said that your group was confused by the BLENDING of teachings that were going on and perhaps the leader of the fellowship did not explain to you that he was a independant fellowship as most of the fellowships are independant. CFFM has really only been there to offer teaching tapes and support materials and not really a part of the day to day operation of the fellowhships or offer support, unless you are a favorite of them---LOL. In fact just trying to get answers to scriptual problems and advise is almost impossible. I can not tell you the amount of unanswered emails and phone calls that I have. So you learn very quickly to handle things for yourself and let GOD tell the best course of action. In our fellowship we have housed many ministers from many other fellowships and when a minister friend of mine came in from Seattle we had to rent the auditorium because we had over 1500 people show up!!! None of that ever got reported to CFF becuase we are indepeindant and eveyone in our fellowship knows that. I believe that you seperated and started your own associated fellowship with CFF and that is as it should be. The rest of us kinda got a slap in the face and a real WTF? :blink:

The other comment on the taped announcement by John was that it was NOT annouced at the Fellowship meeting on sunday at CFF---his comments were cleverly edited in later in the sound room---why was that?

Dancer you and I think alike! Sorry I hit the wrong quote button--- Dancer you are right--it was lazy and smacks of TWI.

I want to thank John R for his posting on the events in Tampa, he has shed some great light on this and with his first hand account I believe the information was factual. I am saddened that I could not get the same information from CFF when I asked for it and leads to the point I was making about why they have to send out letters and tapes on this. If it were me I would have come down and met with everyone and settled it quietly. The method they chose is incorrect in my opinion.

I have all the emails and letters in PDF format and will supply privately to those who identify themselves---I wont post names of ther believers without their permmision. I have mentioned John and wayne only because they operate the CFFM.

This has been very interesting and I am sorry I brought it up. I usually only read here and dont post. I only know what has happened here in the southeast. But all of the responces that I have seen have some truth in them. Dove you are correct and I wish we could all just get along and move the Word and help people be there best for God. However it appears that will not be the case. I guess at some point as the groups grow and begin to get more people they will have to come to the point of US and THEM. And so it goes, we have Methodist, catholics, splinter groups and ex wayfers.............I know all of the players in this sad drama and none want to hurt anyone and all believe they are helping everyone and talking and walking for God---so who is right and who is wrong? I guess at the gathering we will find out. The end results as I see them is as follows: research ministries eventually will become religous. They have no choice it becomes more about the Doctrine and the desire to prove they are right and the others are wrong; than the people the doctrine is designed to help. As for the splinter groups---if they cast themselves in the Image of TWI then they are destined to fail and if they survive it all really depends on who takes over when the founder retires as the whether they hold together or not. The problem with home fellowships is that sooner or later the home fellowship teacher will say something wrong and get kicked out for it. I know most of the leaders of the splinters and they are all good people but all argue about the Word and who knows what and when......all the time. My only desire here was to warn that things are changing and it appears the walls are going up... I listened to a VPW teaching tape the other day warning about religion creeping into the Way----- if he only knew what would happen. The warning shots were fired.......

I know both of the teachers involved in this and they are good ministers, they are as confused by all of this as well. However I guess the ends justifies the means in your argument.

You have good eyes!!! It is mine!-----Fredrick!

Dont be sad; they are who they are---flesh creatures. Neither John nor Wayne really ever talk to anyone or go directly there to see what is going on. They just sit in their offices and get information from believers they trust and then make their own assumptions. When I lived there I saw that happen a bunch of times. You just have to be aware that they are people like any other and dont put them on a pedistal---that is what lead VPW down to the fall. EGO IS THE DEVILS AMIGO! I know that John and Wayne think they are doing the WORD but I have always been a good fruit checker---if the fruit stinks dont buy into it! I see other ministers producing great fruit that are not associated with CFF and they (CFF) trash them...................it is all so sad really becuase God is the BIG LOSER here. Can't anyone see that God is so much bigger than all this petty garbage!

DMiller you are a funny guy!

I think Ex is right about lining up ---the thing that started to p*%& us off down here in the south east is how they got you in their fellowships network... they call up and ask---hey John want to know if want to be aligined with CFF? I ask why-----they say--its just so if people want to find a fellowship like ours we have somewhere to send them.... ok easy enough. well now they have a Doctrine! And anyone who is with them must teach their DOCTRINE! I wrote them a letter and told them to explain their Doctrine so I can find out if I am qualified to teach that or not---they wrote back and only said ITS THE WORD! Now that creaped me out! I have been running a successful fellowship down here with out them for years, and then they call up and want to partner up, then they want to restrict me to their doctrine!!! And if they dont hear from me they send in the spies!!No thanks I am doing just fine thank you! Recently someone called me and asked if they could fellowship with us, I asked how he got my name and he said thriough CFF---I have to tell you I told the guy I would not take him-----I didnt want spies in my mist!

Well I guess it is all about this healing ministry stuff that they have discovered recently and renewing the mind stuff and arguing how to implement it. Some ministers will ask questions about your past and see if you have any hurt buried there that might be causing problems----well now in CFF that is called psycology and not THE WORD ( love that catch phrase dont you!) Some other ministers like to call out the devil spirits and argue with them and then cast them out! Well I guess they all have their techniques but there has been a lot of argument about it. As for me I never waste my time talking to devil spirits anyway--they are all liars so whats the point. I just speak right to the problem as Jesus did and heal them up---no Big deal! But it has come under a lot of intense arument lately. You know its THE WORD, THE WORD AND NOTHING BUT THE WORD dont you--to hell with the person that needed the healing---we must protect THE WORD----man those CFF bunch are like flies stuck in molasses!