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Dig deeper. You might find that judaism, islam, christianity have their roots in Egyptian and Babylonian mythology. Egyptians would be proud to know their gods were still being worshiped, indirectly, 5.000 years later.

Windows protects it's system folders religiously. You should be able to format the drive irregardless. If the drive letter is F:, doing the folloing from a command prompt should wipe it clean (assuming Windows XP). format F: /FS:NTFS /V:bckdrv /X The flags are: /FS: = file system type, FAT, FAT32, or NTFS /V: = lable of new drive (can be anything, best to keep it under 8 characters) /X = forces the drive to be dismounted if necessary before being formated.

Congratsulations! Prior threads on the subject: TWI-minister gets 6 years for sexual assaults I am the one who filed against "Ex Minister get 6 years guy"

I don't have an uncle Harry.

There was always a dowry paid in a marriage, with rape or not. Daughters were the property of their father. They were not free to marry whom they pleased. They married who their father "sold" them to. In the case of rape, since she was no longer a virgin and her value for being married off plumitting down to zero, the forced payment of the dowry and marriage is basically to compensate the father for his loss.

Read the whole page. Marrying a captive? For one, the woman, who's father and mother has just been murdered by this person, now has no say in whether she is forced to marry the person who took part in their murder. And this only addresses when the conquering man wants the woman as a wife. From I can see from the context, the 30 day waiting period, shaving the girls head (I'm sure she appreciates that also), growing her fingernails, is only to discourage the man from taking her as a wife. It looks to me that the discouragement is merely meant for the man's benefit, so he doesn't end up with a foreign wife he later regrets having. Is it me, or does that seem f***ed up? Skimmed the remaining chapters. Didn't find anything on rape other than an Israelite raping an Israelite woman in the fields. Nothing on raping captives. It seems rather clear that the O.T. differentiated between Israelites and everyone else. I don't see anything that would change the expected outcome of giving a virgin woman to a conquering soldier for him to "have". Maybe I just don't see it.

Never saw that. Is there a reference?

Well, those women who have had sex already can be pretty dangerous. Moses wants to make sure that when his soldiers go to rape them and whip out their little wee-wees, they don't know that wee-wee's are supposed to be much larger -- insulting and damaging their ego. Only virgins are good enough to be Moses' soldiers's sex slaves. The rest get a sword driven through their belly.

The issue of whether one allowed The Way to cross boundries is subjective. I can name several examples where someone allowed it and just as many where a person did not and still has a busted relationship. But even if a person did "allow" The Way to cross boundries, it doe not excuse The Way for doing it or remove the blame they deserve. Just because someone's trust in an organization is abused, the abuse is not excused. Thus it is not relevant to this topic and I ask that the issue not be debated in this thread. This thread is for documenting what The Way does in breaking up relationships. mckeanj, Sorry you had to go through that. I was given similiar decisions to make, be with family or attend a ministry event. Sometimes I chose correctly, sometimes not. One time I had to choose between two different ministry events and chose the wrong one, receiving the wrath of a cropse jerk.

Goodseed, It appears that your letting your daughter decide what she wanted to do about The Way and respecting her decision played a significant part in letting her see The Way for what it really is. Am I reading too much into it? If you had told her she couldn't go to fellowship, and loose all her friends, would that had caused resentment and driven her to The Way? In case anyone hasn't seen this before, the Arkansa Gazette has had an article posted on this topic for quite some time now: The Way: After a family breaks up, questions arise about the group

I thought most of these stories would be about The Way trying to keep a person in while another is leaving, but reading these accounts is painting a rather ugly picture of sadistic people in power and enjoying the control they can excert. I see in Likeaneagle and Oakspear's accounts people requiring absolute obedience to The Way's leaders, with severe punishments handed out for disobedience, whether true or not. And for what purpose? Interfering with someone's marriage plans, ending them because they don't like the maid of honor? Handing over someone's children over to someone else? Reminds me all to much of the Stanford Prison Experiment. If you've never read up on it, I recommend it. Shows what can happen when people are given too much control over other people's lives. Edit: Better link for the Stanford Prison Experimentt on Wikipedia. Nice summary of how ordinary people turned sadistic when given practicaly absolute power over others.

I found a thread talking about the pedophile in Alaska you mentioned CoolWaters: What the world outside of waybrain thinks about pedophiles. Perhaps Mo can stop by and tell what they were doing to drive a wedge between the two of you. I've noticed many people struggle with that. Going for years running your decisions by The Way's leadership, getting their approval, knowing you've got God's approval provides a rather nice comfort level and peace of mind. Having to make your own decisions after going so long without is scary and is probably what keeps a lot of people in The Way from ever leaving.

When it becomes obvious that the leader who gave God's will was wrong, then the line is: "the ministry is made up of people and people make mistakes." Until that time, a leader's words = God's will, which they have taught on several occasions. Even when the leader is wrong and you know it, it's still God's will for you to do what you're told. Being far removed from The Way now, it's wierd seeing how such things were ever believed. Nowadays, someone says something like that to me, they get laughed at and dismissed as being nuts. The culture in The Way definetly promoted believing things any reasonably sane person would dismiss immediatly. Must be related to sitting through meeting after meeting, over and over again, hearing the same things 20, 50, 100 times.

mckeanj, Looks like both of you handled it well. Let's see: Not spiritual enough for marriage Revelation from God that the marriage will not work. So basically they were telling you, get married and you're going against God's will?

The Way International has been known to manipulate relationships, whether it’s a marriage, family, engagement, or just good friends, in order to change it more to their liking. Why they do this is open to speculation but usually related to them protecting their interest in a person, to ensure one person stays when another leaves. It could be even worse, trying to cover up something they don’t want public or even something more sadistic like having the power to do so and enjoying the use of it. Catcup’s article on Driven to Suicide is an extreme example, where Craig Martindale himself split up a marriage in order to keep someone he was sexually taking advantage of close by, with the end result of the husband committing suicide. That same woman, Ramona Bidon, later became a named defendant in the Allen lawsuit for her role in helping Craig take advantage of Mrs. Allen. The purpose of this topic is to share your story of how The Way International interfered in your relationship. Although The Way has probably made their tactics for breaking up relationships less obvious post Allen vs. The Way International, giving them cover for not taking the blame, they are none the less still practiced in not so subtle ways. Remember, this forum is viewed by more people who never register or post than actual posters. There are people still dealing with The Way trying to breakup their marriage, family, etc. Putting what The Way has done in plain view for everyone to see will help others realize it and hopefully handle it better. In light of this, please answer the following questions: What did The Way do to interfere in your relationship? Why do you think they were doing it? Did you see what The Way was doing at the time or did it take hindsight to realize what was happening? If you could go back and do things differently, what would that be? Do you have any advice for someone dealing with this now? I want people to feel safe in posting their story without fear of any backlash from people doubting their story, attacked with doctrinal issues, or anything else. Given that, this topic will be heavily moderated and watched closely. Anything with even a hint of accusation or attack will be removed. No account is too small or insignificant. If you’ve dealt with this, please tell what happened.

Maybe it was just after he had to see Rosie.

I have found The Way International to be fundamentalists. As in, right-wing, wacko, drink the kool-aid, conspiracy paranoid fundamentalists.

The list of "old wine skins" is long. Basically, anything Craig deemed as worn out and useless was replaced. twig -> fellowship believer -> disciple wow => disciples of the way Rock of ages - > advanced class specials PFAL -> Way of Abundance and Power Trying to breath live into a dying cult.....futile.

Daddy's cookie jar was out. Craig didn't like that a person could think that they could initiate revelation. He figured either God talked to you and you knew it, or He didn't. Craig said he knew God was talking to him when his stomach was turning. I suspect he suffered from some stomach ailment, and some brain problems that caused him to think someone was talking to him when there was no one.

Where would one find the manuscript?

It was interesting hearing about the group of couples with one wanting to leave and the other wanting to stay, with each eventually divorcing. I know the number of couples in this situation was not limited to those who were participating in that discussion group. There were several others, probably still more exist and more to come. Myself, I went at it alone, until the divorce actually hit. Would have been much better the other way. Kind of wondering if an official area for people who are in this situation can connect with others, without any communications being public. A place to vent, ask questions. Don't know. How many are still in this situation?

Gallery link on the top menu not working? Full instructions on how to put pictures in there....

MSNBC picked the story up. Finders weepers, losers mob justice