pinklady

Thanks Polar Bear! I would go to fellowship with you too!!

Thomas Loy, I think you should go back and read my post. I never dissed or cussed out anyone for their veiws. I asked for them and I go to a church! I would never criticize any denomination. The Way did that!!!! GS was a big part of my healing as well. I simply shared what I experienced when I checked them out. I agree lets pray togeather!!

I would like to thank all of you for sharing. I can see that all of us have been hurt. Some more severly than others but we all have lost our innocence so to speak. It is very difficult to trust when you have been hurt because you never want to be let down or hurt again. It is sad to see the body of Christ so divided, not just with The Way but all over, in every religion. The Devil is a jerk!! He wants us to argue. He wants to break up our marriages, destroy our families and take our children and even destroy us if he can. But God wants the best for us. I would like to share with you all my experience so far with CFF. First of all I came here in August after 6 years of living in Hell. I call it isolation from the outside world. I had no idea what happened in the Way after VP died because we were sheltered in this Geer splinter group. Pat P. used to tell us we were pretty much the only ones really doing anything for God and discouraged getting info, clever right?! How dumb was I? When we left 6 years ago without 2 of our children, I had lost all so called freinds. Not only was I dealing with losing the kids, I was told that I was to blame for it. My husband never supported me and the kids because he was too busy supporting "Geer and by doing that he supported whatever evil Pat dished out. We had no fellowship to go to and we could not go to church because of all the wrong doctrine about chuches being off the word. My husband just would not allow that. He was just content to listen to Geer tapes. So I was very sheltered and really struggling. I could not see a way out of my pain. I had no support from ANYONE! So the devil attacked. We do need each other! When my husband left, looking back, it was a blessing in disguise because I have learned so much. I am thankful for GS. I have made a few great freinds here and learned alot. I don't agree with some veiw points but we will never all agree, will we? So I try very hard not to judge or condemn anyone else for how they feel because I do not know what they have endured. I leave that up to them and God. One of the freinds I met here lives in the UK. She helped me get through ONE of the most difficult times of my life. That was a few months back when my husband beat up on me. She was a attorney and worked alot with domestic violence. She wrote to me faithfully everyday without fail. Those e-mails were always what I needed to hear and her love kept me going just one more round. Just when I wanted to throw in the towel, Thats the love of God!!!! He worked in her heart all the way in the UK, hey that rhymed! Ha, its late. For the first time in 6 years I had some support! Someone was willing to actually get involved in my life and HELP me. She had also had her corps marriage destroyed by leadership so she could have empathy for me as a woman. She could understand the depression. The days I did not want to get out of bed or eat. She checked out a CFF fellowship in th UK and liked it. I also started going to a nice church. Then She gave me a contact in Orlando of a CFF fellowship and they gave me one for Tampa. So before I jumped into it I decided to start this thread to get your feedback good or bad, I wanted to know. Most of you know my story. Its one I would not want to repeat. Then another loving believer gave me John Shroyer's cell #. I called it on a Saturday about lunch time. John answered. He was having a planning meeting with alot of people there. He listened to my whole entire story,and its a long, painful one. It took over a hour. He comforted me and bullt me up and told me that what happened to me was BS. I was impressed that he stopped what he was doing to LISTEN to a hurt believer desperately seeking help. He wanted me to get in touch with Mike and Judy in a city close by, about a hour away because he knew they are good at ministering. He said I needed alot of healing and love from all the spiritual abuse I have suffered. I called Mike and Judy and they came to my house and spent the day with me, They ministered to me. They said I could call them and I have. For the first time I can see a way out of my pain. I woke up the next morning actually wanting to live. I have been in counseling for the last year and I never really got alot of healing. It was a way to release some of the pressure. They are throwing out the life vest because trust me, I was drowning fast. They are feeding me the word. They have been around a long time. They are in their 60's and still moving with God. They have a large fellowship. Thats what you call getting down in the dirt with someone. I am a handful right now!!!! I am not saying that I will ever follow one organization. I told the fellowship in Tampa that I would not give up my church womens group and they changed their fellowship night. They said they are there to serve people not the other way around. So I am impressed so far. Do I know my boundaries now? YOu better believe I do. If you have read my story you know that I am a strong woman and I have stood up to alot of these ego leader crap. I even stood up to Geer. I will never allow anyone to put me and my kids in legalism and bondage ever again!! I will never vault any man as the MOG. They are to serve the believers. It is nice to fellowship with people who were a part of this ministry alot of us spent most of our lives in. That is why you fellowship here at GS. I go where there is love now. Why argue over doctrine? I go to church and I know they belive the trinity. Do I argue? no . I just simply love them because I know they love God. There are so many things in the word that we all can agree on. GOD IS LOVE, how about that one? Instead of analizing everything lets just love and let God sort out this mess. I have decided to let my kids, my husband go completely. God WILL BRING MY KIDS BACK TO ME!!! In the mean time I am excited about a new life. This is the first phase of my deliverance. Stay tuned to Part 2 when God restores my kids back to me. He's working on it. I love you guys. Thanks for your prayers and your support. Pink.

Griffp, I do accept your apology. At least you do say you are wrong and apologize. My soon to be ex never did that. I forgive you. I will say that I do not agree that because I made those choices that I asked for my kids to be taken and abused. I had a heart for God and just wanted to teach my kids to love him too. My heart was innocent. The people who decieve the hearts of the simple for their own bellies are the ones who made bad choices. I would not want to be them. They will pay with their eternal rewards. So God Bless. I have no hard feelings for you at all!!!!!!!!!!

It is a Geerite group in Tampa Fl run by Pat P.

Thanks guys for your support. It is comforting to know that there are still some believers left who have some empathy and compassion for others. The ones like my soon to be ex husband and other way corps like griffp, I can only pray that they wake up one day. griffp, if you really had 15 e-mails, why aren't they coming forward on this thread to help you out? Your claim does not ring true!!!! Not one of those people have come forward. It seems to me that you are the phony one.

GriffP, I think your apology is a joke and not exactly from your heart. lol! But you know what is really great? I don't care !!!! Who cares how its written or documented? Most everyone supports me because, sadly, I am not the only victim with a horror story to tell. Sounds like you may know these men and even support them. The people that you claim e-mailed you probally do as well. Why should we believe you?

I am not even going to answer all the unlearned questions in griffp's post. Unless you have walked in someone else's shoes you really can't judge what you would do given the very same circunstances. Do I have regrets? Yes. I would gladly give up my life if I could go back and make the right descions. I really don't want to live now, but I fight for my kids sake. The DCF detectives and a sheriff here believed me and Austin. She had to transfer it because it was another county. She is still in contact with me. She said, That it was not my fault. I did the best I could with what I knew at the time. I am still trying to sort through all the spiritual abuse. He says he was in the 6th corps, so was my ex. Mabe that is why he seems to have lost the most important thing, the love of God. They would rather believe leadership than a victim of spiritual abuse. Where's the empathy? My ex never had it. I have the report. My two kids and my husband all admit there was a video. So there is more proof that it did exist. I still love my husband. He comes over and we are trying to be freinds for the kids sake. I have forgiven him. This divorce is not nasty. There is no court battle. He even beat me and I forgave him. I just feel sorry for him that he is not awake yet. I have to move on without him and it makes me mad as hell that the devil destroyed my marriage and my family. Mabe if more way corps had woken up sooner they could have saved their own marriages as well. I commend of of you that have changed. I have no agenda except to love God and try to find a place to worship Him with people who love Him too. I know He will take care of me and the boys and my mom. I forgive you for saying mean and uncaring things that you know nothing about. I have already been dealing with this ego. I am simply sharing my story like so many other victims here do for healing to myself and mabe just mabe it can help someone else who may be going through the same thing. Mabe it can be a warning not to get your kids invoved. To check everything out very throughly. To ask questions, Mabe it can help to save other moms from loosing their children, I can assure you there is no greater pain. Mabe we can stop the abuse of women and children and youth who are being verbally, sexually and most of all spiritually abused.

I wrote this thread becuse I am at a crossroads and I wanted your input form your experiences with the group. I did not mean to cause division among believers. Many of you know my story and the horrible abuse I have suffered in the last 6 years. I have lost 2 kids and I have 2 kids left. You see, I am alone here, except for God. I have no earthy family to support me. I take care of my mom who is 82 and is a stroke victim. My brothers and sister tried to put her in a nursing home and declare her incappasitated. We had a court battle for a year and we won of course because God was with us. There was money involved. They were willing to sell both of us out for it. My husband never stood up for us against this leader so I am in a battle with him as well It is wrong to tell a mother to let her kids go. It is wrong to tell her that you will see them at the return. That is not Gods will. I have a responsibility to protect the 2 I have left. All I want is to fellowship with people who genually love God and have no hidden agenda. It is nice to talk to someone who has been where you have been and understands your pain. I am being attacked and pushed around by this leader because he knows I have noone to stand up for me. There are days that I do not even want to live. I can relate to David when he said his couch was full of tears in psalms. I just wish that I could be with bellievers who really loved me. So please, don't argue about this. It might be easy for those of you who have family and bellevers to fellowship with to give advise but please remember that I have noone. I am starting from scratch. I have my kids and my mom and we need not to be isolated any more. Thanks to all of you who have given your input from your experiences with the group. When you have lost what I have lost mabe you might be over cautious too. I love all of you. remember we are all a part of the body of Christ. We do all need each other. Don't allow the devil to decieve us any more. Love ,Pink

I was reading Hope's thread on the labour we used to be expected to do and It seems they are trying to pass this off on the kids. Alot of splinter groups I know of are starting youth groups from ages 13-21. I watched in horror as a leader here had kids 13- 17 work on his property the entire weekend!! Then at the end, on Sunday, they would have to detail clean his house and car!!! They even had to pay for their food for the weekend!! 35.00 for each kid!!! I think they made some profit!!! They had to write a letter also stating why they should be considered to be chosen as a fellowlaborer!!! Then he decided whether or not he would accept them!! They worked in the hot sun all day and the cold rain. Once my son forgot his lunch and the leader told him he was a liar and made him work longer than the rest. He even woke them up at 2 am to work!! What is the purpose of this?? I had to speak up of course, being the rebellious woman that I am! lol. Parent's, don't send your kids to youth camps unless you can go too. I was never allowed and I had 3 kids in it. Don't send them to another state for heaven's sake because they may not ever come home. Mine never came home from a camp in New Nersey because he was brainwashed. He left all his clothes and even his stereo!! Please gaurd your kids. Don't trust them to any crazy way leader!!! Don't make the mistakes I did. Love Pink!

Now it seems to be child labour!! The splinter groups are starting youth groups that require them from ages from 13-17 to slave away on their property!! They stay for the entire weekend and even have to pay for their own food!! Then at the end of the weekend they have to detail clean their leaders house and car!! Must be nice, Right? Don't we all wish a team would come to that for us? That is sick to expect kids to do that!!!!!

Thanks T Bone!! How funny you are when you said they should go to the church they critizied the most!!! LOL!!!!! AMEN !! Talk about ego!! I am staring to laugh at the absurtity of these ego maniacs!!! I know my situation is not funny but when you try to tell normal people of the crap that you were involved in they just get this confused look on their faces like What?!!!!!! How could anyone fall for that? Thanks all of you for bringing me back to the truth!! Hope, Yes lets do lunch soon!!! Love Pink!

Thanks Belle. I did not go searching that's for sure. I was reffered to them by someone here on GS who had checked out one of their meetings and thought it would be nice for me to have some support from some way corps who have been where I was. I am not looking to go backwards, thats for sure! They say that they don't put anyone under bondage or legalism. I quess I am just searching for fellowship with christians that genually love God. It does not matter if they go to church. I have been standing alone for a long time. My husband kept me isolated even though we left. I don't think I need a class for myself or any new people I meet. I have already been sharing the word with a couple of my girlfreinds I met in the last year. Why must all these men have to have a class? We can each just read our bible and we are certainly capable of teaching others. I am in a battle with a leader here over my kids as well as my husband. I feel overwelmed at times but I don't want to get involved with the same old fellowship and the same people in the same living room sitting in the same class over and over. The horn get passed around and is it used to help the needy? Is it used to help believers? I have been out of the splinter group for 6 years. My husband wished he had stayed and just listens to Geer tapes. I think his head is fried! LOL!! He did not want to go to church, WC was too good for that so I sat at home. I am just now trying to decide what I do want for MY own life. I have read the threads on CFF and it seems alot of people say good things but no, I will most likely will not fit in there because I do speak my mind and I am not letting anyone cross my boundaries ever again. I have been to several chuches, I have been in counseling for a year. I have taken classes on co dependency and boundaries. I had divorce care. I am most definetly trying to unlearn what I was taught except the word I know to be true and a man is not responsible for giving me that God is. I just read the bible daily with my boys and pray and that is what I enjoy. I do still need fellowhship and so do my kids. I like the music in the church, I don't like the trinity taught but I am not going to argue over doctrine. I can separate truth from error, I'm a big girl! lol Those people do love God. I go to a womens group and alot of women come who have alot of pain. I have been asked to become a group leader because I have alot of empathy and I share the word with them. That would of course require their training. I just know I want to turn my pain around and help people. That's what I am looking for. sorry for the long response. Thanks guys for trying to help me sort through all of this! Love Pink

I was married to a Way corps grad who did not stand up for his wife and kids. He even got abusive. I believe The Way Corps did not teach men how to really love their wives. Some of you have managed to love your wives and keep your marriages togeather and I applaud you for that. Here's a neat Poem a freind sent me from GS when I was being abused by my husband. Be careful if you make a women cry because God counts her tears. The woman came out of a man's rib not from his feet to be walked on, not from his head to be superior but from his side to be equal, under his arm to be protected and next to his heart to be loved. What woman would'nt want to submit to a husband who did that? Remember in the 70"s you hardly ever heard of divorces, now they are rampant!! Following leadership came before the wife and kids. Wow!!! I would say we lost the word. Where's the love?

Many of you know my horrible story in a splinter group and recently I met some people running a CFF fellowhip here. I quess I am very leary and gun shy. I went to one fellowship. I did not take my kids. I feel I will check everything for a long time before getting them involved. I have read some things on here and I still am not sure if I am not jumping from the flame into the fire. I have gone to a wonderful church recently and a great women's group that meets on the same night they have fellowships. What would you do? I feel there is safety in a multitude of counselors and you are my freinds. What are some of your experiences with it? Why do they charge so much for the classes? It is nice to talk to someone who understands where I have come from. They were very nice. But I can't go by that, can I?!!!!