Allan

Im glad you noted that most that died had underlying health issues including obesity...it's when you add the "but, suppose for a moment that's kids really don't die from covid (they do of course) that, to me invalidates what you're attempting to embellish. You JUST SAID THEY HAD OTHER HEALTH ISSUES.... WW - 'virtually no-one' 16 or under gets seriously ill or dies from covid is what I said NOT 'absolutely no-one' and what you subsequently posted per link backs that up ! You then went on to post that " the few news readers that gave lip service to covid being a gray area were the first to rush out and get vaxxed." Joe Rogan is one that didn't that springs to mind so did you mean virtually all or absolutely all of the few ??:) Modcat- "spreading dangerous information here regarding covid"....are you implying people on this forum are brainless or simpletons ?? or are you under the impression this forum is broadcast around the world ?? lol

Gain of function had nothing to do with covid ?? Your comment beggars belief...go ahead ban me, you obviously don't like someone pushing back...as for WW (unless you're both and the same) semantics.....under 16's dying from covid versus seriously ill....I can post plenty of reports showing HEALTHY teenagers in 99.999% of cases are asymptomatic or mildly affected at worst...so go ahead ban me, it'll just prove my point about 'fair speech and dialogue' on here.

I was replying to Waysiders post that what I posted was FALSE...I refuted that with FACTUAL ARTICLES...so you're saying those articles and statistics are WRONG ?...You're labelling it FALSE INFORMATION ? Well I guess you know more than the Vanity Fair journalist and the Australian Bureau of Statistics ! Or are you as moderator now determining what is true/false, correct/incorrect ?

• Australia: number of COVID-19 deaths by age and gender 2021 | Statista so here are two reports showing that what I have said IS fact. What may I ask did you base your reply to me on ? Or was it the general 'knee jerk reaction' of those who have succumbed to mainstream media madness ?

In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan | Vanity Fair

Oh I wont ! I've had it twice anyhoo !

Here in Australia, the state of Victoria had 25 deaths from covid in one day. The state Premier was hard pressed by a journalist to divulge of the 25, how many were vaccinated...He refused to answer. He is the type of person that if none of them had been vaccinated he would have been shouting it from the roof tops....as someone said "I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a things aren't adding up the way they should theorist" :)

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Key word being 'encourage'....not 'mandate' right ?

I agree, no-one should be telling you to NOT get vaxxed...just wish people would reciprocate and NOT tell others they SHOULD get vaxxed !! I think that's pretty reasonable doncha thunk ??...and don't hit me with that "it's your moral duty so you don't give it to others" FFS if they've been vaccinated they're PROTECTED right ??!! And vaccinated still shed virus too don't they.....and let's not split hairs over how many micromils of virus vaccinated vs non-vaccinated shed :)

Sorry, I meant Raf !!

All good, I just wanted to see if I could get Rocky to cuss bahahaha...on a serious note though...I'm still VERY sceptical...for a plethora of reasons ! Firstly the NIH has flip flopped on a number of statements, i.e. mask wearing not helpful, then next minute it is. Then it isn't. Is this the same NIH btw that has finally admitted they WERE funding 'gain of function' at Wuhan ?? Also, virtually NO cases of healthy kids under 16 dying or even getting seriously ill from Covid....now after much urging from the drug companies they are going to 'immunize' (closed colons intended) 5 year olds and over....hello, now they're pushing for babies...I smell $$$$...as Dan Bongino says "follow the money trail" !! Covid deaths, as Twinky mentioned, are way over inflated. At least the authorities have been honest enough to admit that if someone has Covid antibodies when they are killed in a car crash or falling off a ladder or (more likely) shot by someone in New York whilst eating a Big Mac IT IS LISTED AS A COVID DEATH. I really am surprised how many GS'ers have such healthy scepticism for anything called church/fellowship yet sprint towards something the Government is saying is good and right for you ??!! Wasn't it Ronald Reagan that famously said " There are nine words coming out of a bureaucrats mouth that ought to send chills up your spine.... I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

Do you have any articles supporting that claim ?

Again, what is information and/or disinformation ?? Is it in the eye of the beholder ? Does it take more than merely reading the headlines ? Latest medical advice is that the covid shots immunity only lasts 3-6 months....that's why they're rolling out the 'booster' shots....how long do they last ? Again, medical advice is their effectiveness wanes after around 4-6 months. Has anyone wondered aloud how long are people going to keep lining up for booster shots ? A year ? 2 ? 10 ? the rest of your natural life ? Will they introduce billing for it at some point ? I think big pharma shares would be the way to go at this rate, yeah ? lol...

Heya Ham ! Im in Australia and in my late '50's..hear ya about the body starting to get the odd niggles and creaks lol. I've just thrown in my job and about to start a 'not for profit' establishing a home for young and older men and women who may have mental or physical challenges (or both) and who may be living with ageing parents who worry about what will happen to them once the parents pass away. Something that I really, truly believe God has put big time on my heart. I know it will be a huge challenge but IF it really was God, I'm convinced He's got it ! I guess it's also my shot at leaving behind some type of noble legacy in my lifetime.

And I guess (as a journalist) you believe in a persons right to disagree with your opinion yeah ? I disagree that masks work. In fact the latest stats to come out of your country are that a school district (can't remember where, if I have to I'll look it up) showed virtually no differnce in transmission rates between masked and unmasked pupils. As for John Lynn, he died WITH covid, not BECAUSE of. It's called 'comorbidity' which is what the ONE percent of people who catch the 'rona die of, apart from the very elderly. In fact 99% of the elderly who die from/with corona have already lived PAST the average life span. Also, no argument vaccines DO work, it just appears the corona vaccine (like the flu shots) with their effectiveness waning after three months are not very effective. That is why the fear of the 'unvaccinated' from the 'vaccinated' is very palpable...just saying.

WW, I'm not embarrased at all...Rockys the one who should be embarrassed for making the statement "there have been no deaths and side effects are minor after being vaccinated for covid" As for yourself brushing them off as some type of 'collateral damage'...shame on you !!

And the side effects are minimal ?? I beg to differ.... Finland pauses use of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in young people (msn.com)

A genui !ne reflection of MY faith is that because the original vaccines were developed using aborted foetal tissue I will not be getting jabbed

Are you serious ?? Nobodies been killed by the vaccine ?? RACGP - Two more AstraZeneca-linked deaths in past week: TGA

I know Rocky, I'm just tired of this whole "you're a crackpot because you disagree with me or the Biden admin or Fauci or the CDC or MSNBC or what SOME of the scientists say" ...It's a 'virus' in itself, the whole 'cancel culture' 'woke' think brigade...throwing out inuendos against dissenting positions because it's important to feel one is right !!

Allan says :There is often 'two sides' to a debate and I'll admit, it's getting harder and harder to elicit, ascertain truth from 'mainstream media'....I and many others I know choose NOT to wear a mask, believing it's better to exhale viral loads than breathe them into a mask and re-ingest it again !! There has really only been ONE unbiased study into mask wearing benefits/non-benefits and that was the Danmask-19 study trial. The results were inconclusive...of test subjects wearing masks 47% still contracted Corona. Of the test subjects NOT wearing masks, 53%...make up your own mind but don't damn well 'mandate' mine for me !! link supplied The curious case of the Danish mask study | The BMJ

Have to agree with that. Besides/otherwise we could embark into a whole debate about whether masks etc...really work.

Did you mean they employ over a hundred people or people who are over a hundred ?