Allan

The Darnells are involved with CFFM,reasonably widely known.Awesome family.

Bramble, I was thinking the same thing myself. I guess it's like a lot of things in life whereby we must differentiate between fact and fiction.

Interested to know how many have read this book of the same name.It gives Biblical and first-hand accounts of a growing movement called 'the brotherhood', a satanic movement that practices human sacrifices across America etc..;members who 'infiltrate' Christian Churches to weaken and then ruin them etc..??

Self righteous indignation, no backing down when wrong, name calling, mes' thinks some of the posters at GSC don't do too bad themselves !!

Wasn't Jim Jones down that way once upon a time ?!

Why did some people get upset when I said half jokingly that maybe their believing sucks, when they have stated that they don't believe in believing anyway ?! "And all things whatsoever you ask in prayer,having confidence,trust,believing,hope,faith,positive mental images,etc.. you shall receive." Whatever one may want to replace the word believe with, I'm pretty sure Jesus was saying expect to receive something !!

Living in Australia which is very dry in a number of places,I have seen men, women and kids doing the 'water thing' with forked sticks. It actually works more often than the 'scientific' method of finding the stuff !! I repeat, hard for a three year old kid to be savvy enough to make the stick do what it does.

What did Jesus mean when he said in Matthew 21: 22 "All things whatsoever you ask in prayer BELIEVING, you shall receive" ?? The error lies maybe with our understanding or maybe...some peoples believing just sucks !!

Maybe he's going to finally start reaping what he's been sowing, myself and the ozbirdaus'of the cafe' sure won't lose any sleep. In fact my wife said there may very well be a few who 'slip away' once he departs our fair shores!especially with her brother now left in charge.

Not wanting to throw a wet rag in here, please allow me to give my nickles? worth. Most of you know I still 'push the barrow' for the Lord:If I read What the Hays' post right,what was said is I believe pretty close to the banana(don't worry, it's aussie slang). Believing in the positive or negative sense is real, it is just that it is not as black or white as TWI propounds(i believe TWI again uses this manipulatively to condemn and keep people in bondage) When Selina and I finally got around to signing up for family corps,we had to come up with BIG x amount of dollars for the first block of tuition for us and the five kids, not to mention airfares, the New Zealand dollar being 1/2 the amount of U.S.D. etc.. Through it all Selina kept a mental picture of us all sitting in front of a 'wishing well' at the entrance to Indiana Campus(bearing in mind we had never seen any pictures of the campus.) When we arrived at campus through a series of small miracles lo and behold..the wishing well. On the negative side of believing,I keep newspaper clippings of incidents where I believe spiritual powers or 'laws ' are in operation and display them in our(please don't gag !)advance class. You might be surprised how often "I had a great fear about this" pops up. In your neck of the woods, cast your mind back a number of years to when a serial rapist/killer was making appointments with real estate women and then ambushing them. He was caught when his last victim managed to get away.Virtually her first words were " I had had a great fear that I was going to be his next victim" (and she was).Too many more to mention.

Mic**l Ada*s is very, very good friends with Jo*n Rey**lds, likewise, with Je*n Yv*s de Li**e. Rhy* Mil**r if he is still co-ordinating U.K. is a 'Kiwi' who is very much under the thumb of Mic**l Ada*s, likewise, Pe**r Caw**on who co-ordinates Australia. A bit of method in their madness me thinks ! As a side note, Mic**l Ada*s 'hates' the States, I will guarentee he baulked at leaving his beautiful home and car behind not to mention the concubine(s).

YOU SHOULD BE AND i AM SURE YOU ARE VERY PROUD OF YOUR DAUGHTER !!

The Japanese govt. will kill it in the name of scientific research,then it will end up on wealthy peoples dinner plates, who will end up contracting a rabid virus that .. sheesh,It's too early in the morning for this, I need my coffee and some s.i.t. !!

Subarus a bit hit and miss.If you get a good one, great.Get a bad one, big money.My son bought a Subaru(the kids love the sound)and goes well.My nephew bought one and had nothing but trouble. Other son had a Honda Ferio,awesome car. Older jap cars tend to rust out quicker.

I do know in New Zealand the call was to go back to school and uni I guess to get better paying jobs, hence more money rolling in and 'sphere of influence', which seems to be working for my bro- in- law.

I'm happy for him to have a photo with a kangaroo or koala bear at some stage and then I'll jump on a plane and get a photo of him with a Kiwi !!

Dear Moddiwasher, maybe you could pt me as to reasons you deleted my message(for further reference). Was it because I mentioned my bro-in-law who is supposedly the new country co-ord of n.z. or what I said about him and Mic**l Ad**ms ? !!

No issue taken exy!!! we need to 'band' together and keep up the good fight against the bad, ugly, and downright putrid,especially after reading Belles post on TWI leadership changes.

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Thanks Too Gray Now, you're right, Ex-Cathy as well.I wasn't aiming it at anyone, but maybe some of the ex-exers really need to post their 'beliefs' in the 'beliefs section'. Satoori,whatever works you have done will be added up one day, this life is way too short to get hung up on it. I am one of these ones with business diplomas etc..( 5 years, 8 papers ) but I choose to keep 'peddling' the Bible.My brother-in-laws who all own their own businesses think I'm nuts but what the hay !!

Thanxs for that Ron, very interesting and worth keeping an eye on.

Firstly, I believe that Greasespot Cafe is still and should continue to be a forum for ex-TWI'ers first and foremost. Not those who happen to be ex-JW's, ex-LDS, ex-SDA, ex-etc..don't they have their own ex-forums ? or are their forums not as good ?!! The problem is that they appear to be bringing their own in-grained beliefs and we have to troll through the illogicity of things like JESUS being GOD all over again. I want 'innies' to see that 'sanity' lies beyond the walls of TWI not within !!

Whatever, whenever, however, whyever, to me still the greatest Word of God I ever heard !

A country & western musical serial killer ?!!

Yeah, this was just after we left,but picture this.The country co-ord. of N.Z. and his r.h.m. sitting at a table sipping lemonade in the middle of summer giving instructions to the'followers' as they built a fence around his expansive backyard.