Allan

Thats some deep shi# bro !!

I actually still do consider opinions and advice

Mj412- you are definitely not of the minority. 2 plus 2 always equals 4 and there are many I'm sure who still get uncomfortable or frustrated when someone tries to teach or preach that it adds up to 5 or that it doesn't really matter if it adds up to 22 !etc.. To me 'rightly divided Word' is where the practical meets the doctrinal.(sorry to some of you for using that phrase !!)

Wadsqueda had actually organised a 'scholarship' for our 2nd year in-res( which I think would have been a first ) but I told him to stick it where the Martindales sing.

Ditto what Johnny said for us as well and we went through with 5 kids for one year. What spoilt our fun was a wad named Mos***da. We enjoyed the challenges too, especially things like having 20 minutes after Kitchen duty to get ourselves and kids ready for S.E.S.. We saw people with 1 child struggling, but then we saw people in-res that really shouldn't have been there anyway.

gc- is it the name of our church or group? I wish, about 10,000 turn up on any given sunday and thats just within a 30 mile radius !!

Sorry, do you mean HO-HO ?!! Oh no, hope I haven't started anything !! Btw, what does CHrist-mas mean(as a term of refern'ce)?

try http://www.hillsong.com.au !!

Very good points WaterBuffalo and Catcup !! I remember when Selina and I decided to split out of Indiana campus, I was talking to Bo Th**as about it and he said that if we were peaceful about the decision it was the right one !!

Bet he was s.i.t. like a house on fiahyr!! Good time to recite retemories too!

Worship in music really is a big way to get the heart ready to hear Gods' Word. We have had a number of people from 'pentecostal' churches hanging out with us and it took one of them to honestly say to us "your Sunday services are a bit boring" !!to make us realize that we could probably 'do the music side' better.Funny thing was,it 'lifted' the whole service'.

Oh and don't be 'scared' to wave your hands in the air or clap or shout out hallelujah it really is quite liberating ! Selina and I have realized what worship in music really can be.

Hey Ozbirdau, hope you enjoy it, Pastor Brian Houston is one of my favorite 'preachers'. I also admire Pastor Chris Pringle from Christian City Church. I do not agree with all they teach but I admire their 'sincerity'.

Sorry Raf but I have to call you out on this one. You obviously are not telling the truth because NO-ONE gets blessed or prospers outside of TWI!!

Oh, and from Pet*r Caw***n who co-ordinates Australia for them..ouch!

By the way, I've kept ALL correspondence from Mi**al Ad**s,my wifes brother and his wife Mar* (Rog**s)

When we left Indiana Campus we received 'a letter' from Mi**al Ad**s calling us thieves, dogs, pigs etc.. He also demanded $10,000 from us for our airfares that TWI paid for to get us back to N.Z. He suggested we find a good lawyer because he was going to make our life hell. Best advice he ever gave us !! We found a good lawyer who sent the Di** head a letter saying we could sue him for defamation. Never heard from him (in this capacity) again !!! And he is TWI new 'International Out-reach co-ordinator ?!! ROFLMAOPAOMF

Hi DMILLER,'Hillsong' is actually the name of a church in Australia and the name of their band.It is basically a 'worship music' ministry. http://www.hillsong.com.au or something like that. Ozbirdau.. we have ex-baptists, jw's, lds etc.. involved in our church so I guess theres something out there for ex-anythings..!!

Hi Ozbirdau, glad you asked the question about what I know of other churches 'beliefs'. Our church holds evening services which has allowed me time to visit other denominations and some I have even 'preached' in.I've been doing this for the last six years or so. It has actually been an interest of mine to 'look and see'. I can go into detail if you want about Jehovah Witnesses Catholic Seventh Day Adventists Apostolics Lutheran Latter Day Saints and even more obscure ones like.. Iglesia ne Cristo Apostolic Prophetic. Our Ministry actually has adopted things like full band playing pentecostal hillsongy type songs, we have people clapping, jumping, waving thei hands in the air, lifting holy hands so it aint like we're stuck in a time warp ya know !! So I stick with what I said in my previous post.All the best to you and your family,lovingly, Allan.

Rascal said.."why would anyone give credence to anything they said, regarding doctrine". Because Rascal,many of us who were involved in twi got to actually make up our mind as to whether or not what we were presented with was the truth and with our own minds got to say yes or no. I for one still believe that the basics of what VPW presented (albeit EW Bullinger or whoever) is even today unmatched in most churches.

I know in New Zealand a couple of brothers of some girls who got messed with turned up at leaderships house and things got a bit physical. I remember one time standing in a queue at local post office when Mi**al Ad**s and wife also turned up. When he saw me he hovered in the background furiously dialling his mobile. I presumed he was trying to get through to his 'goon squad'.!!

a finger in the ear does feel kinda nice !!

The room decor does look a 'bit gaudy' even by American mid-west standards !I see they take bookings, maybe possible to have a 'reunion there ??!!

Thankyou Linda Z and Krysilis for reminding posters to keep things'civil', we all left the name-calling antagonistic ministry behind us.

As I have posted before, to have put Mic**l Ad**s in charge of Int'l Outreach shows that they are more than happy to keep promoting the sickest of people in positions of power. We are sure people will leave TWI in New Zealand once he departs it's shores(btw.. does anyone know when these appointments come into effect ?)