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A good friend of mine is a jeweller named Roger..he has the eye of a woman and the hand of a man..he is a very good jeweller !! My previous post was a joke Mstar so wipe the froth away from your mouth !! Now..as for Roger..o.k. that was a joke too !! Hey..did you hear the one about the homo who..oh, never mind !!

Templelady..for what it's worth (nothing really I spose) I DO admire you for STANDING on (something) I decided to STAND (on something) too as I believe to STAND on something, anything ..that has to do with what you previously posted (the basics..God, Jesus Christ, the payment for our sins etc..) is wayyyyyyyyy better than to just live for oneself, even those who give all their clothes to feed the poor etc.. really are doing it because it makes THEM feel better either firstly or ultimately ! That is phileo and not agape

Quite clever Galen, I guess one has to read between the lines !!!! Question..if homosexuality is NOT a spiritual problem (at the root) then why do male homos insist on working in menswear stores and hairdressing salons and acting like a woman trapped in a mans' body..and likewise why do the women insist on a mans' haircut, clothes and a job driving buses !!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually I have read the 'book' and as I said, full of errors..Joseph Smith claimed to have found 'golden tablets' with strange writing on them.The angel Moroni supposedly interpreted them INTO ENGLISH. We KNOW that due to language translations etc..the 'Bible' we have today can expect to have 'translational' errors etc.. in them..but as I said the book of Mormon was supposedly translated DIRECTLY into english for Joseph Smith. Of course the 'tablets' then mysteriously disappeared !! I won't even bother with their 'doctrinal' errors like married forever in heaven to the person you marry here on earth ( their 'temple' wedding of course) totally contradicts what Jesus said about marriage in heaven when asked !! Sorry Templelady but what a crock.. btw..Joseph Smith didn't really believe what he preached when it came to the crunch and he proved it by killing people to try and save his own skin. And also on Galens thread about the church, the early Mormons killed 'unbelievers' as 'happily' as the early Catholic church did !!

As I said..Joseph Smith claimed to have had the book of Mormon 'divinely translated' into English. Therefore..either God made some errors..or Joseph Smith was a liar..sorry..there's realy no other way to put it !!

Well Templelady..the problem with the BOM is that it was meant to have been 'divinely TRANSLATED into English therefore it should not be 'full of errors' and yet it is. Literally sweating 'great drops of blood' as stated in BOM for example is one of them ! It was great drops of sweat LIKE as of blood, which even some of the diehard VPW haters will probably admit is more correct. Old Testament people having 'faith' is another one, we know that faith 'came' with Jesus ! Seems Joseph Smith didn't translate it very well, neither did he take dying pretty well either, taking members of public 'out' with a handgun before he was moblynched !!

I think the key is to not KEEP sinning the SAME sin.

so..what 'label' does Belle, Rascal, Templelady etc.. put on ex-wayfers who still hold to 'majority' of previously taught truths from the ministry of VPW ?! Just curious ? Mike has his beliefs, Def 59, DMiller etc.. Seems to me you aren't terribly happy to 'happily disagree' with their posts... so think before you use words like 'viscious, attack etc..' remember the fingers pointing back !! I have nothing to fear nor nothing to hide..as you see my actual name goes beside my post (Out in 88)!!

Raf..now it is your turn to jest me thinkest ?!

I'm not defending VPW at all, he awaits the return as many of us will if Christ tarries. Thankyou for replying Templelady and for the admission of your 'faith' in the 'God inspired' book of Mormon. To me that speaks volumes...good day to you all.

Why do you feel compelled to 'justify' the perversion Belle ? "Who knowing the judgement of God that those who do such things are worthy of death (Old Testament) not only do the same but have pleasure in them who DO THEM" -Romans 1: 32

Why can't homos be in leadership positions in the Church ? Because it's a 'spiritual sin' that's why !! It is perversion and described as 'burning' (but at the wrong end !) If you know what I mean. I don't think I would want to receive 'teaching of the Word' from a mans' mouth if I know where that mouths been o.k. !!

Why not let Mo (rmon) lady answer her own questions 'Belle', are you an 'overprotective person' ?? I guess the real question is "why lambast Dr.Wierwilles teachings when you sit in a pew on Sundays listening to easily proven absolute crap and dribble from the book of Mormon..??!! Your comments are tantamount to 'sheer hypocisy' Sorry Belle but I will not let some Mormon (whether they are your 'best buddy' or not) belittle what I believe to be true.

So..I'm not the ONLY one that picks up evil and malice from some of 'Rascals' posts !! Raf..in what way does Mike misrepresent God and Jesus ?? What is idolatrous about it ?? careful, you'll have Longgone accusing you of wearing your 'superduper Bible believer cape !! Joel Osteen..isn't he that 'plastic looking' dude with the capped teeth and Barbie doll looking wife who preaches on t.v. ??

Well..after Australia just announcing its' new anti-terrorism laws, the head of the 'Islamic Friends of Australia' here has warned that because of this new erosion of peoples rights Australia will be a 'Fascist' state by 2016 !!

Mormonlady(aka Templelady)..men of old spoke as they were inspired by God..error crept in through various translations and transliterations. Your comments were a bit 'rich' don't you think considering you go by the book of 'Mormon' !! Do you believe the book of 'Mormon' was 'inspired' ??!!

Out of da fog..I have never made myself out to be a 'Bible caped crusader' or anything else except a Bible believer..maybe you have an inferiority complex !! As far as 'homos' is concerned..Does not even nature itself tell us sticking things in all the wrong places isn't NATURAL !! Dan..stop trying to change the truth of God into a lie !! One more point..In Jesus eyes which is worse than the other..being too 'over zealous' at times or simply doing nothing with whatever 'talent' one has ??

She looks like a lesbian

Rascal said.."It has very little to do with promoting the Mormon religion" Are you really that naive ? What do you think they go riding around on their bikes for..fresh air !! It's ALL about promoting their church !! And I know MANY who have vowed they would never go anywhere near it again..they have MORE rules and regulations than twi could ever have dreamed of.. Whilst Selina and I were visiting her Pacific homeland, before we were married, one of her Aunties husbands (an elder in his Mormon church) made 'overtones' for her to be one of his 'concubines' (as they are not allowed to marry more than one woman) only because of the law mind you. He was the first and last guy I ever knocked to the ground.Read Bluzemans' post on the Mormon church to see that they aint that differn't to Der Vey !!

And yet VP made no secret of the fact of copied beliefs in promoting Bullingers Companion Bible which many of us still have ! Bullingers Companion Bible with all of Bullingers notes in the margins and appendix

George Muellers book too also very enlightening..great 'practice' of 'believing'.

OM..your cat sounds like an awesome believing cat !! I mean..it doesn't sit around making excuses for doing NOTHING for God !

Funny how people try to 'downplay' that which is abominably wrong..Sunesis, whatever your excuses for Sodom & Gomorrah are do you want to try and explain away what it says of homosexuality in Romans chapter one.. If'n a 'mans' 'biggest' fantasy is doin' it with two women, doesn't that speak volumes of the perversion that mankinds heart leans to ??

sorry to burst your bubble but the Mormon missionaries are 'trained and primed'during their training to use this as a tool to keep trying to 'witness' to ya ! Your name, address, comments would have already been recorded down.. As Galen said over in the politics and tacks section, they are steeped in Freemasonry beliefs and LOTS of other weird sssstuff.

I think this goes back to the 'old blame game' everyone elses fault except mine.. Mormonlady..don't know if you've realised it yet but just as bad (if not worse) goes on within the 'Mormon church)..I mean read Galens post about them in the 'politics' post..