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Karmicdebt..I suggest if you felt shameful and dirty after hetero sex you should have demanded your money back !! Outofdafog..thanks again for your advice..similar reply to many others who disagree with your line of thinking. JFYI..we have run classes even recently with 'homos' in them, they got b/a, s.i.t. etc.. so I KNOW God is a lot bigger than all that junk ! Then it is up to them to decide if they want to be pulled out of the fire AND SOME HAVE (I only hope that doesn't disappoint you.)

Maybe he did Outofdafog..maybe 'butch women' and 'limpwristed' men just got too much for him ! Bramble..I think you described 'homos' much better than any of us could !! Teens full of 'spirits' ? Not surprising given the media etc..

JJ..I have 'spoken to'..'counselled' a few 'homos' over the years(and recently) and an interesting side note is that after they have 'copulated and climaxed' pretty much straight away they feel remorseful and 'dirty'. Which to me lends credence that it is 'spiritual', that they are 'caught up' in the 'anticipation and lust' factor and once that 'spirit' is satisfied, the individuals own 'godly' conscience 'kicks in'. It's pretty sad.

Well said Oldiesman..I think words being bandied around like 'viscious', 'attacks' etc.. are a bit melodramatic don't you think ?? They are used 'conveniently' by certain posters at times to suit, a bit like a spoilt child crying "meanie, meanie".

Seeing as my name has been mentioned(by Templeladys' wife) here is my reply..I still believe that PFAL was/is great truths and light revealed from Gods' Word (regardless of who and how it came to pass) after all, most people here truly believed it at one time or another.. I believe that some of it definitely was 'inspirational' but not necessarily all of it. That puts me at odds with Mike on probably that one issue. Having said that, I also believe that some of the 'detractors' from it are only trying to come up with excuses for not believing it, whilst others are downright envious at having 'reassigned' themselves to other churches KNOWING that their church would not have a bar of it..not because of any wrong doctrine it promulgates but because their church is too 'set' in their own.

Idiots, halfwits etc..you couldn't have said it better yourself MStar, especially after reading some of the posts over in the 'politics' forum..nod, nod wink, wink !!

Thanks Dave, a nice balanced reply ! That message could well be heeded by all the posters !!

The 'big' differnce is..the Book of Mormon has been shown to be a crock of cr*p ! It was 'supposed' to have been 'divinely' translated and written into the English of today ! Check out the myriad of ex-Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints sites ! yahoo search brings up literally hundreds of ex Mormon sites..type in ex lds or ex mormon Geesh..some of the stuff on there makes VPW look like a saint !!

DMiller..if people look through my posts they will see that I very rarely 'push' my 'beliefs' that I ascertained to be the truth whilst in TWI, however, they will see that I 'defend' my beliefs when attacked and ridiculed by others..(don't most people) especially from those who were never in twi at all and those who fire their shots from churches of differn't persuasions, bless ya.

Hey Brother Speed..what do you call a group of people wearing bombs around their waists cruising through town looking for victims to blow up ? (I'll give you a clue..starts with 'T') What is the differn'ce between a 'democrat' and a 'liberal' ??!! You see 'labels' have always been around and always will be.The undesirables and evil 'groups' are the ones who try to shrug off a 'tag' because it 'exposes' them., after all..aren't you serving with (in your own words) LDS ??!!

I 'hope' you're still receiving counselling Belle !! Again..just the hypocricy of people in other churches continuing to throw the same old stones whilst sitting in their sunday pew 'drinking in' their own doctrinal garbage..and Belle..wrong on all of those flippant little comments of yours as well !!

The whole point Templelady was to check your own 'backyard' before 'poohpoohing' what 'others' may believe as per taught previously in TWI. Some of you others..if you weren't in TWI for the Word, what were you in it for ??!! Some of you post like you never believed any of it whilst you were 'in' ? So what parts did you read Oakspear and what part didn't you agree with ?

Come on Templelady talk reasonably..we're talking thousands of years with the tablets of Moses in foreign countries and a hundred or two with these 'golden tablets' in the Mid-West !! The Bible talks about parts of the memory being erased when it comes to the annihilation of unsaved loved ones, no more tears, the memory of them is forgotten. Otherwise that would mean Hitlers mom, Osama Bin Ladens' mom (if she became a LDS) would expect to be with their family forever !! This is where the illogicalness of 'feelings and emotions' begin to take over the truth of Gods' Word. That is why the Mormons are also right into 'baptisms by proxy' (baptism for the dead) and geaneoligies which btw God said to steer away from..!! Thanks for the 'discussion' I think enough has been revealed.

A good friend of mine is a jeweller named Roger..he has the eye of a woman and the hand of a man..he is a very good jeweller !! My previous post was a joke Mstar so wipe the froth away from your mouth !! Now..as for Roger..o.k. that was a joke too !! Hey..did you hear the one about the homo who..oh, never mind !!

Templelady..for what it's worth (nothing really I spose) I DO admire you for STANDING on (something) I decided to STAND (on something) too as I believe to STAND on something, anything ..that has to do with what you previously posted (the basics..God, Jesus Christ, the payment for our sins etc..) is wayyyyyyyyy better than to just live for oneself, even those who give all their clothes to feed the poor etc.. really are doing it because it makes THEM feel better either firstly or ultimately ! That is phileo and not agape

Quite clever Galen, I guess one has to read between the lines !!!! Question..if homosexuality is NOT a spiritual problem (at the root) then why do male homos insist on working in menswear stores and hairdressing salons and acting like a woman trapped in a mans' body..and likewise why do the women insist on a mans' haircut, clothes and a job driving buses !!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually I have read the 'book' and as I said, full of errors..Joseph Smith claimed to have found 'golden tablets' with strange writing on them.The angel Moroni supposedly interpreted them INTO ENGLISH. We KNOW that due to language translations etc..the 'Bible' we have today can expect to have 'translational' errors etc.. in them..but as I said the book of Mormon was supposedly translated DIRECTLY into english for Joseph Smith. Of course the 'tablets' then mysteriously disappeared !! I won't even bother with their 'doctrinal' errors like married forever in heaven to the person you marry here on earth ( their 'temple' wedding of course) totally contradicts what Jesus said about marriage in heaven when asked !! Sorry Templelady but what a crock.. btw..Joseph Smith didn't really believe what he preached when it came to the crunch and he proved it by killing people to try and save his own skin. And also on Galens thread about the church, the early Mormons killed 'unbelievers' as 'happily' as the early Catholic church did !!

As I said..Joseph Smith claimed to have had the book of Mormon 'divinely translated' into English. Therefore..either God made some errors..or Joseph Smith was a liar..sorry..there's realy no other way to put it !!

Well Templelady..the problem with the BOM is that it was meant to have been 'divinely TRANSLATED into English therefore it should not be 'full of errors' and yet it is. Literally sweating 'great drops of blood' as stated in BOM for example is one of them ! It was great drops of sweat LIKE as of blood, which even some of the diehard VPW haters will probably admit is more correct. Old Testament people having 'faith' is another one, we know that faith 'came' with Jesus ! Seems Joseph Smith didn't translate it very well, neither did he take dying pretty well either, taking members of public 'out' with a handgun before he was moblynched !!

I think the key is to not KEEP sinning the SAME sin.

so..what 'label' does Belle, Rascal, Templelady etc.. put on ex-wayfers who still hold to 'majority' of previously taught truths from the ministry of VPW ?! Just curious ? Mike has his beliefs, Def 59, DMiller etc.. Seems to me you aren't terribly happy to 'happily disagree' with their posts... so think before you use words like 'viscious, attack etc..' remember the fingers pointing back !! I have nothing to fear nor nothing to hide..as you see my actual name goes beside my post (Out in 88)!!

Raf..now it is your turn to jest me thinkest ?!

I'm not defending VPW at all, he awaits the return as many of us will if Christ tarries. Thankyou for replying Templelady and for the admission of your 'faith' in the 'God inspired' book of Mormon. To me that speaks volumes...good day to you all.

Why do you feel compelled to 'justify' the perversion Belle ? "Who knowing the judgement of God that those who do such things are worthy of death (Old Testament) not only do the same but have pleasure in them who DO THEM" -Romans 1: 32

Why can't homos be in leadership positions in the Church ? Because it's a 'spiritual sin' that's why !! It is perversion and described as 'burning' (but at the wrong end !) If you know what I mean. I don't think I would want to receive 'teaching of the Word' from a mans' mouth if I know where that mouths been o.k. !!