Allan

Oh..I think the manifestations were right on all counts..when you had bold, excited believers they 'manifested' wonderfully..feel welcome to expound what you think Def and Dave..

Hey Southern Gentleman..my story is pretty much ditto of yours except we did it with 6 children !! Have not felt a need to question majority of what was taught in twi..it is still standing us in great stead today !!

Hi Confused..I'm sure MANY still practise things like 'manifestations' 'believing' etc.. that are no longer with twi..it's just that the majority of those who post here(and there is not really that many) don't. But that is because they have gone Mormon, Catholic etc.. If you still want 'the Word' in all it's beauty w/o the bondage of twi try www.cffm.org John Shroyer and Wayne Clapp. Have a 'blessed day' !!

Templelady..isn't getting baptised for dead people that you didn't ever really know playing God ??

To make it a little more confusing United Pentecostal Church does not believe that God is also Jesus and holy spirit but rather that JESUS is God and Holy Spirit. In other words Jesus is 'head God' so it is really a form of 'trinitarism'.(taken from one of their websites) JW's aren't too bad, but the Mormon church is 'steeped' in spiritualism. Just read Templeladies post in 'doctrinal section'..She claims Hitler can be 'saved' if an LDS was baptised for him, but it would still be up to Hitler(who is currently in the spirit world) to ACCEPT it !! Yes Dr. Wierwille, you made some stuff ups, but I thank you sir for the good that you did do. sorry..after just reading Raf and Jets last post about JW's I take back what I said about ORGANIZATION.

Geesh..now we're talking about how bright VPWs' lightbulbs were nearly 50 years ago ?? And people have the audacity to suggest I need help ??

No..this is my last reply on the matter Outofdafog..so typical of you to 'label' people and then to 'backtrack' when people disagree with you.."oh..it..was..ONLY a ..kind of a joke..KIND of..tongue in cheek." I don't think anyones views on things like homosexuality(either for or against) is really a joking matter. And come on..you went for the same reason Mstar goes, to have a 'peep' !!

Evan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..I picked up on it when Mark emailed me but (deliberately)? spelt his name with a 'c' at the end !!! So..that now makes Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Wiccas, Pagans, Baptists, Calvanists AND Catholics posting here.. Sadly, I think there goes any chances of 'innies' being convinced by GSC to leave twi unlike 'waydale' could do.

Point taken DooDoo wrap Sorry, I forgot only twis' DOCTRINE to be ridiculed on 'about the Way forum' !!

Surely any 'godly' person would want at least some of the good that was in there !

and 'foolishness' is a mother trying to justify her daughters 'perversion'. I think it's healthy enough to 'agree to disagree.'

Depends how many 'ties' you have...jump onto a Harley and ride off into the sunset ??

Thats o.k. Bro Speed..I accept your apology..any picture of you in Iraq ??!!

OOOOHHHH Templelady, sometimes I feel disdain for you and other times you make my heart melt !!! I just got a picture of one of my daughters in my mind, thinking of you !! As I said before Bless you for standing on something (godly) Mormon church does not believe in s.i.t. so they are at a disadvantage right there in 'rightly dividing' the truth of baptism. Evan..I believe that 'right doctrine' always lines up with 'right practise'. For example I was never 'water baptised' yet I did confess Jesus as Lord and 'experienced s.i.t.' I believe that with the coming of the greater the lesser disappears. I believe that truth is simple, that Jesus came to uncomplicate things. I believe that I only have to look at a family to see the truth behind a Father and His son. I believe that when I look at a dead person, I can see they're dead. I believe that no one church is 'the true church' (sorry MO) but that every born-again Christian is part of the body of Christ. I believe that Jesus said "why say to me Lord, Lord and DO NOT the things I say" etc..etc..

I think the kindest thing for me right now would be for me to not even reply to those points of yours, maybe someone else will ??!!

How about this Mormonlady.."and I Joseph Smith was directed by an angel called 'Moron-i' to a place to dig up some gold plates, and when I dug them up they had strange writing on them that I didn't understand, and the angel 'Moroni' translated them for me and this became the book of Mormon. And bug**r me, I then had the plates taken off me, but I do remember also the revelation given to me that Jesus went to America and preached to the Indians because they are the remnant of the tribe of Israel" Watch those 'glasshouses' MO !! At least VPW was a bit more credible than that, come on !!

Thanks Dave..I'll have a beer on you ! By the Way..there are a number of single women in our ministry if you're ever looking..but beware..these women are all well trained in the art of 'BACK OFF BUBBA '!!! Karmicadebt..no I am not gay,married (still) for 22 years to my childhood sweetheart, 6 well-adjusted children (all of us ex family 20)and 4sometimes not so well adjusted grandchildren !! Keep my life busy with them and helping them be on fire for Jesus sorry..it was Coolchef that asked the question !!

Hey Pond..in case no-one has already..WELCOME TO GREASESPOT !! You sound like someone who has their head screwed on, so I presume you are not still in TWI !! Anyway, not that it matters, but I pretty much agree with your post. I have nothing to hide; my name is there for all to see; I have no (real) fear !!

Probably because the number of 'homos' is actually very small (thank God)

Bramble..thankyou for your reply, I do not regard the person as filth (only their actions) or I would not have welcomed them into any of our foundational classes. I do not think VPW ever seriously discriminated against them either, at least not as bad as Martindumb did..but happy to agree to disagree with you especially in an 'adult way !!

Baptism of fire ?..try posting on GSC !! Never been 'water baptised' but definitely baptised with the holy spirit. I don't 'feel' I need to go back to the water. If it makes a person 'feel' clean, should it be a regular thing ?

Templelady..that old chief in the Amazon will be judged in the ressurection of the dead, but not be in the 'gathering together'..to 'baptise for the dead' is bizzare, playing God and pandering to emotions, nothing more. Read EW Bullingers explanation of the verse (what is the use of a man or woman being 'baptized' if it is only for them to REMAIN dead.) God is NOT the author of confusion ! My previous question was "could a LDS person be 'baptized' for say someone like Hitler" ?

You guys really are a scream..screaming hypocrites that is !! The tone of your posts towards others who do not agree with you and your thinking I don't mind at all..but don't label me a hypocrite. I still believe and practice what I previously believed to be straight out of the Bible..the rest of you make excuses for it. DMiller..looks to me like you're trying to impress Belle (among others) is that wedding bells I hear ?? Were you that 'flippant' in twi ?? Oh my gosh Allan..you're so nasty and vicious in your posting (translated as..just let us ridicule, flame, abuse, and don't you DARE answer us back in that way) you guys really are a riot act !!!

Sorry Karmicadebt but I will not get drawn into 'attacks' on a personal level, you yourself should know that one still reaps what they sow.. However, I would suggest that maybe you find another avenue to 'vent' your feelings.

Sorry Mark but the only reason the 'Catholics' never suceeded in stopping the free course of the Word of God was because in persecution the church of God flourishes ! Even today this principle holds true. Templelady..you forgot the part where Jesus went to the Americas and preached to the American Indians (who are the lost tribe of Israel) (all 'divinely' revealed to Joseph Smith of course)!!!!!!!!! aaahhh..so YOU were the Mark that private topiced me berating me for not believing in the 'trinity' etc.. Just for Oakspear and DMillers 'enlightenment' are you another one who never were involved in twi ??!!