Allan

The 'keys' Oakspear are SIMPLE too !!

Well Mark..usually because people confessed Jesus as Lord etcc..before they were led into s.i.t. BTW Mark..what is the Catholic formula for getting people saved ?? Interested.

Just keep it simple Evan (and others) "Jesus is God but not the Father.".so he is only PART God ?? You just show the ludicrousness of these 'skewered' teachings. Like the Mormons, Catholics and other denominations..the further they get from the simplicity of the Word, the bigger the 'hole' they dig.

Yes Jetc57..truth is simple, Jesus came to 'uncomplicate life'.That is why I will be eternally greatful to have learnt 'simple truths' from the ministry of VPW whilst I was involved , no matter where he 'copied' differn't ideas from or how bright the lightbulbs were during his filming of pfal ( wordwolf and Oenophile will get what I mean !!)

I left because of 'hypocricy'. I can take virtually anything else thrown at me. If I'm 'hard out for the Lord', I expect my 'elders' to be as well. And while we're (sort of) on the topic..isn't it interesting that the John of Revelation (supposed to be the one who leant on Jesus breast during passover meal) wasn't doing any 'hugging' in Revelation !! rather, he fell out of awe at the feet of Jesus. There is no mention of Jesus the 'savior' in Revelation but rather Judge, Jury and Executioner !!

No VPW didn't say that..just another one of Mo's 'selective hearing'.

Oh PLEEEEEEEEASSSSSE keep going Templelady.."only LDS get to go to 'the' heaven..non LDS go to other heavens" !!! Yet you have the audacity to point the finger at VPW teaching what he did ?? Does the term 'hypocricy' mean anything to you ??!!

Some (good) points..however..Just why did the 1st century church with their beliefs and doctrine last maybe 100-200 years, YET the 'Catholic Church' 'grew' in power ?? I think much of the answer is dictated by history. Evil persecutions, land grabbing, throne toppling, HUGE WEALTH accumulation, Jesuits, the martyrdoms of 'men of God' like Luther etc.. Mormons may have s.i.t. mentioned in their almanac, yet they believe it is only in a language that (someone) else present will understand. I think Joe Smith when he sat down to write that cr*p didn't realise the 'other benefits' associated with s.i.t In fact when one reads the 'book of Moron' one can see that he wrote it only as far as he was able to 'interpret' his limited knowledge of the KJV at the time. The rest he made up with his 'own interpretation' of verses like 'baptism for the dead', etc.. Some (good) points..however..Just why did the 1st century church with their beliefs and doctrine last maybe 100-200 years, YET the 'Catholic Church' 'grew' in power ?? I think much of the answer is dictated by history. Evil persecutions, land grabbing, throne toppling, HUGE WEALTH accumulation, Jesuits, the martyrdoms of 'men of God' like Luther etc.. Mormons may have s.i.t. mentioned in their almanac, yet they believe it is only in a language that (someone) else present will understand. I think Joe Smith when he sat down to write that cr*p didn't realise the 'other benefits' associated with s.i.t In fact when one reads the 'book of Moron' one can see that he wrote it only as far as he was able to 'interpret' his limited knowledge of the KJV at the time. The rest he made up with his 'own interpretation' of verses like 'baptism for the dead', etc..

Thankyou Moddiwasher and sorry ! All I wanted was for Mark© the catholic to come out and say "it wasn't me that sent Allan the abusive trinitarian emails" and as I said the 'silence' is deafening.

Sorry Templelady..the 'kingdom' of the (spirit world)? that Hitler and other bad people are presently in awaiting someone in lds to get baptised for them and give them a chance to say yes or no to a 'second' chance at salvation ?? Is that better ?? All I'm really saying is don't be too quick to put down, belittle and ridicule what VPW taught without bearing in mind what 'platform' you are actually speaking from. The same goes for Mark, the next 'Pope' wannabe !!

Well Mark..all I can say is that the 'strength' of most of the people attending the Catholic church is reflected by the teachings of the church, very weak and ludicrously wrong. Justify weakness..make excuses for 'feeling uncomfortable' about direct fellowship with God and His holy spirit. Templelady..I know people who have been 'baptised' in the Mormon church who came out of the water s.i.t. They were quickly told to cease doing this..again, going against what the Word says in 1Corinthians 14.."forbid not to s.i.t." This is done only because lds believe 'tongues have ceased' Belle..we were taught that "just because you have/haven't experienced something doesn't mean it isn't true." Evan..whether 'manifest' is a noun or not does not discount it 'becoming' a verb !! Thankyou VPW for the good you did do..you weren't perfect, but we learnt from the good and that 'stays us' for the rest of our lives.

Oh well Lindyhopper..so you are really saying those who have continued to hold onto 'majority' of doctrine learnt in twi are idiots and on drugs ? Your call. I guess I'm doomed to live eternally on that planet Mo mentioned.Do you think they'll have 'beatbox' music, rap on that planet?? Will I still be able to wear my bandanna ?? Geeesh..I must admit I didn't know that LDS were THAT whacked. I bet this is the stuff they only teach once someone has 'graduated' to 'Inner temple practise'.

Interesting considering that scientists have stated that every human does indeed appear to have come from the original same set of parents..Adam and Eve ? and language experts have concluded that at one point there was ONE 'mother tongue.'

Keep going..this gets more and more BIZZARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1Corinthians 12: 7 "the manifestation of the spirit.." Don't tell me Evan..another verse along with baptism for the dead that you can't seem to ever remember reading ?? And by your calling of them 'gifts' tends to give away a few clues me thinks !!

Maybe we were hearing the 'manifestations' in differn't meetings ??Oh, thats right..differnt COUNTRIES !! If it were some of the posters here 'manifesting' that you were referring to I'd quite believe it !

Oh Gawd..why didn't I expect that from TL..after getting baptised for Hitler now we have 'hell' as a 'planet' where one can spend the rest of eternity in a 'Harlem ghetto type' existence..I think Joseph Smith must have been harvesting some good 'sh**' in his backyard !!

If xxxxxxx xxxxxx isn't one of the two posters here, then no problem then is there !! But if one of them is the one sending me 'abusive' emails let them admit who they are.The sudden silence is a 'little' incriminating from the 'trinitarian Catholic corner.!! Similar to 'Mudslingerlady' who doesn't want to discuss the 'fallacies' of her Religion..a little 'duck and weave ' what what !!

Another way of saying that people for all their 'chest beating' don't really give a hoot when it comes to you before them. Nothing but excuses. That is why I STILL go Gods' way, never be disappointed in my expectations. Psalm 27: 10 "When my Father and Mother forsake me, the Lord will lift me up"

Oakspear..on the contrary to your contrary.I think any of them that can still think will look at these 'religious viewpoints' and wonder if twi were right in what they said about the 'internet' !!

Wayne Clapp @ CFFM taught one of the best 'exposes' on hell yhat I have ever heard..I think it was entitled 'is hell a place of eternal torment' Part of it along the lines of the fire burning till nothing left to consume, and the greek words for 'forever' etc..

Similar to my bro-in-law..he's pushing twi as a 'student counsellor' on his university website..probably a new/old idea of theirs.

I like E.W.Bullingers explanation that Paul was saying " why do Christians bother getting baptised if they are going to remain dead". Then that 'fits' with all other scriptures relating to it. Anything else that the LDS promote about it only leads towards ridiculousness and confusion. Templelady herself stated that someone could indeed be 'baptised' for people like Hitler but it was up to him if he wanted to 'accept it' in the 'spirit world' !! This is the 'hole' they dig themselves into when 'wrongly dividing scriptures'. ROTFLMAO (if it wasn't so devilish and WRONG.) sorry..one can also read the immediate context to see that Bullinger was pretty 'bang on'.

I didn't say there was anything 'wrong' with water baptism, just that I believe that it is no longer necessary, the greater baptism has arrived Ephesians chapter 4 says 'one baptism'..so which one do you want ??!!

but then again xxxxxxxxxxxxxx..don't lie to me about who you are in your abusive 'trinitarian' emails to me !