Allan

And yet (I could be wrong)..I seem to remember hearing once that Albert Einstein once said that "everything I do, I do to prove there is a God" ??

I still have 'hundreds of tapes' that I need to find a cheap way of getting onto cd. I remember one time (at Emporia) where VPW was shocked to find the almost impossible work and study schedule the leadership there had placed everyone on..he basically 'blew up' in their faces, ha ha.

To all the ex- twi'ers, friend and foe alike. Even the opposing armies in the first and second world wars would cease fighting and give each other gifts !! Selina and I would like to wish you ALL a very happy and blessed and prosperous New Year.( hey, at least we're out of 'smallsville' aren't we !) Gee, this 'crown lager' really IS very nice !

It's a bit ironic, I remember VPW saying one time that "God would not be a righteous God if there was no judgement day" ! I think one of the greatest evils is a denial of natural justice. Without a fear of cosequences there is no fear of judgement, without a fear of judgement there is no fear of consequences. Pretty much what is up with the world right now !!

Yes, the boys are in ! As I said I always looked on my country of New Zealand as a 'microcosm' of TWI. So then I hear its' country co-ord. now has a position at h.q. (refer back to ozbirds posts if you want to know his background ) My bro-in-law is the replacement New Zealand co-ord. and he has a string of 'sexually violated women' deciding whether to drag his bottom through court. The boys never really left town, Lizzy. Personally speaking I would embrace 'Wiccism' or 'paganism' before I allowed myself or my family to ever go near twi or its' leaders again !!

Doojables question was does anyone have anything to add to the actual thread topic..? I havent seen any except for what I posted about TWI current and 'new' leadership. Threads like this seem to send Rascals and Excies heads spinning and careening back into some sort of time warp repeatedly..maybe they should ignore any topics that have 'sex', 'VP', 'abuse' etc.. included in them ?

As I've posted before, with some of their new staff placements, knowing what I know about for instance their new intl. leadership training co-ordinator....TWI 4 is going to be a 'hell-hole.'

Garth, if you ever had anything positive to say, I might listen. I've well and truly moved on from VPW although I remain thankful for what he taught. My new 'Christian hero' is Chris Pringle a true blue 'xxxx gold can' (it's a beer) on the forehead crushing(spiritually speaking) hot preaching kind of a guy. I'm sorry but I'm just not that pretendy lovey dovey tip toe through the tulips kind of a 'Rascally' sort of a guy.

Don't lose sleep Johniam, if one disagrees with some of the posters here..one is called a pr**k. If one still holds on to PFAL beliefs one is called narrow minded. If one talks about the creeping evil of political correctness including homophobia one is labelled an as*hole. If one DARES talk about people getting over something that happened 20 years ago one is labelled an insensitive so and so..don't you get it Johniam..? these posters have got nothing TO MOVE ON TO.

Yeah..try and point something out and the 'clicky' minions rush to each others aid. No wonder they never stood on their own two feet against 'waybraining' and are still trying to get over things 20 years later. It's pretty sad. These are the same people who put their hand on their heart and accuse someone of being 'insensitive' 'hardhearted' etc..if you disagree with them, yet if they disagree with you fire personal insults and everything else your way. Where I come from that's still called 'hypocricy'. So Mark O..do the Cathoilic priests 'twist' "suffer not the little children to come to me.." scripture ??!! (watch where those stones are thrown)!!

Thanks OM, I had forgotten about that in 'Way..living in love' . I never had the idea that VPW discovered all this 'new light' himself the whole time I was in TWI, but rather that he had 'brought it all together' in an understandable fashion. And lets be honest, how many of us would ever have heard of Stiles, Kenyon, Bullinger without VPW.

Back to the topic..the person just appointed to intl. leadership training programme definitely falls into this category along with my bro-in-law who he has left in charge of New Zealand. My bro-in-laws excuse was he had to marry an older woman before they left Emporia when he actually prefers 'younger' ladies. TWI is still alive and as 'hellish' as ever. And I have no problems posting this stuff because I have eyewitness accounts who would testify anytime they 'had' to.

I think some of the posters comments about not realizing the Corps programme was a lifetime committment tells me they were really doing it for the ministry and not for God anyway. Somewhere in their hearts they should have been making a LIFETIME committment to God. And I think that is borne out in the fact by the ones who are still forging ahead with the things of God after TWI. They are the ones who aren't bellyachin' about what twi did to them.

I guess what I was trying to say was that with pfal truths peppered throughout the Word, who out there was teaching it AND making it known INTERNATIONALLY. If it wasn't for pfal I probably still wouldn't have heard half of what was made available. Mike..I don't have anyone on ignore or blocked !

I'll put in a reply to that David even though it wasn't addressed to me.."what can be learnt from pfal that isn't already in the Word ?" My, my..everything that you and I and everyone else didn't know before pfal came along !!

Alfakat, you're about 3 posts short of a discussion forum. Evan..apology accepted, that was some pretty bad news. I occasionally go through material from Kenneth Copeland, Chris Pringle (who I really admire as a man of God) and many others and honestly have not found anything I would refer to as having a 'wow factor' compared to what VP presented.

Come on Danny..now you sound like your friend Mike..all of a sudden you're too tired to post and I wouldn't believe what you post etc... I just asked you to post a couple of these mind blowing things you've learnt outside of twi. I don't need to state what 'midblowing' things I have discovered because as I have said before pfal did it all for me. And no I don't believe way mags or pfal was 'God breathed' and no I didn't mean any disrespect to Mike as to what I said above, I just turned your comments about Mike back onto you.

Myself and family are continuing where we left off with twi.Living, moving, teaching Gods' Word. Establishing a ministry is THE hardest thing we ever did and wouldn't take it on again with any kind of willingness. What makes it worthwhile is the awesome bunch of people we get to surround ourselves with, many of whom have come from 'backslidden' and 'inactive' ...Mormon term... backgrounds. The Word we have held onto 'turns them on again' when they hear it and get to experience it. Our worship band are mostly self taught, we encourage lifting of hands in service, it's great to hear shouts of amens and hallelujahs, life is great. As for the question of checking out other churches and doctrines, Selina and I did all that when we left twi but there was nothing that did anything for us and as I said before, most of the people involved in our church have come from various denominational backgrounds.

Hi Danny..Oldies posted a pretty comprehensive list of pfal topics. Can you post even half a dozen of these exciting mindblowing dicoveries that you have found ?? I'm not being fasecious..sp..? just curious.

Well said Raf..maybe a better way for me to state what I believe would be to say " I believe that pfal is up there as one of the best of all the flawed works."

If some of you care to read what I posted a bit slower you might see that I take exception to Mark calling what I still believe much of , 'perverted'. If a number of you don't believe what was taught, fine. My main point was that someone who believes that Mary is the 'queen of heaven',and the 'mother of God', Jesus is God, the dead are alive now, the pope is 'infallible', contaception is wrong etc.. etc.. shouldn't be too quick in calling other peoples beliefs 'perverted'. Where I come from thats called 'hypocritical'.

Rascal and I don't agree often but....yep, a lesbo is at the helm of twi. Such a shame, but as I said before the apples on that tree don't fall very far from the tree. With the new guy running the intl. leadership training program after the trail of destruction and marriage bust-ups that he has left behind let alone his pattern of serial lying if I still cared for the place I would be in DEEP despair.

I thought submariners had to keep 'both' hands' on the wheel at all times ??

I think that Mark O'Malley your comment about twi presenting a perverted image of God etc.. is pretty 'rich' don't you think coming from one who praises catholicism and its' beliefs ! Careful of those stones you're holding in your hand unless you plan on stepping out of that glasshouse.

I guess if you're a male warthog thats not a nice option ! But then again, some girls I knew in my early adolescent years as a desperate young man...