Allan

Oh that was some of the 'nicer' things lol. Me and twinky have got some stories ;) But when you've got an oirishman who fancied himself as the next mogfodat you're gonna have issues hahahaha

Actually, the twi of today reminds me a bit of Al Queida. No real leader in charge, so one has a smattering of rag tag bunches of cells run by former or aspiring leadership with no real direction. A trickle of good intentioned new people that must at some point commit to the 'greater cause' and totally submit to their superiors. All the good people that have listened to Gods'call have gone, seen the light, overcome fear and vamoosed ! Yet you still have some people who have not been able to do the God 'thing' without the confines of twi, so return and pick up where they left off and do their best to convince themselves that it's not all that bad. A bit like we were told by 'leadership' when we left, "you and your spouse are going to have to wake up every morning and lie to yourselves and your kids" ...what a joke

A case in point Galen...I believe you have 'friends' that you probs think are 'nice''great' cat. A people, yet ask twinky or myself what we think of them THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS (past and present )and we would tell a differn't story.I mean, we lived with these people, I'm related to some of these people, so really I guess I'm saying, you don't genosko them...no offence ! I guess maybe if hundreds of people came to the same conclusion about someone it would be more objective ? but then thousands thought Hitler was the bees knees...so maybe it's best to not categorize people at all ??!! interesting topic though....

totally agree waysider ...friends to some...despisers to others !!

So a question here...Is it possible for, say, yourself Galen, to think of someone or others who are in the category Á' classification ( in your mind ) to be absolutely known to be 'B'grade as*hol#$ in someone elses ?

Soooo...what if...s.i.t. IS another name for free vocalisation ? Maybe, possibly, being filled with the holy spirit is a fast, shortcut to it ? Remember the statement, "it is NOT something one does to be saved, but something one CAN do after being saved/born-again/ filled with power from on high." Maybe an 'atheist' and a born-againer free vocalising/s.i.t. is simply a proof that there was/is/will one day again be ONE language ? Maybe for an atheist and an unbelieving believer it is nothing more than a clanging cymbal, but to someone operating agape, it is a powerful weapon ? Maybe they are the same thing BUT with differn't purposes and uses for the user ? ( I'm just in a maybe mood )

My response to the 'naysayers' when I'm out on the streets speaking to them is " I meet a lot of people that cannot s.i.t. ( for whatever reason ) that pooh pooh it, but I meet very few that CAN, that do the same

I actually tried to s.i.t. after the last segment of pfal...and couldn't ??!! then later on that day, on my own & after a beer, I opened my mouth & a few words came out and it 'clicked' for me, sort of like, wooaah, so THAT'S how ya do it, lol

I will definitely look into this 'free vocalization' thing. My initial cynicism of course lends me to think how convenient for satan to come up with a brush aside label like that...hmmnnn. I still haven't had anything scientific or biblical to debunk the number of reasons and benefits for s.i.t. It's a bit like the blind man; "As for this Jesus I'm not sure, but one thing I know. Whereas before I was blind, NOW I see " ! I'm like that with the tongues, couldn't do it before getting saved, NOW I can :) BTW, I don't believe I myself nor a number of genuinely, sincere fellow Christians I hang with, have ever done it out of a prideful heart or mindset, so, again, to make a general sweeping statement like that is not very fair. BTW ( also ) I was brought up JW just to throw a little spanner in the works.

That's what I've always thought, of a truth God is not a respecter of persons, so the line goes ! But yep, after being defamed to family & friends ( behind our backs of course, the guy running our country was/is an a grade coward ) and then having a couple of his goons physically assault me outside my house in front of my kids..I coulda got a bit disillusioned...but a love for God, ability to s.i.t. not to mention being personally present when a young relative was prayed over and sat up immediately from a coma shores up my faith for sure.

I'm happy to agree to disagree !! I just thought it was interesting to note the JW thing, because I am involved in a Christian ministry where we do 'lead' people into speaking in tongues and it seems that former JW's are often the ones that have diffuculty 'manifesting' ??!! Also on a side note, interesting that I have had 'gay' people receive the holy spirit( evidenced by s.i.t.ing !! ) any thoughts or comments appreciated as I do enjoy your posts :P

I can only state that before I received the holy spirit, I could not 'speak in tongues' and after I 'received' I could ! no faking, clear monosyllabic enunciated words I do not understand. Also, Raf, if I remember rightly you originally came from a Jehovah Witness background. JW's vehemently repudiate s.i.t. I wonder if there is just a tad of rose tinted glasses in your exposition ? Perhaps flirting with their church again ? I say this sincerely because for any of us to be influenced by previous twi teachings as you have said would ring true just as much as you may be from your religious background is all.

Hi T-bone..I wouldnt class myself or a number of others as 'non-thinkers' either whilst having been in twi or out of it. I still think for myself and certainly when it comes to 'doctrine'. I would have to say from your way of reasoning that there are numerous trinitarian churches full of 'non-thinkers' as well ! When people say they have a more 'intimate' knowledge of God yet submit to 'trinitarian theology' I still wonder..do they mean God God or Jesus God or HS God or God Jesus ?? (I know what you're saying, doctrine can get in the way of relationship)

Regarding the trinity...ditto for what Free from Cults and DMiller have said !!

They were in our family corps. Last I heard they were on staff, but that was a little while back.

As someone once said.."Capital punishment DOES work, the perpetrator is guarenteed not to ever commit the same crime again" !!

DJS...some good points you made...however..TWI is NOT a business, it is meant to be a CHURCH ! A church that should be promoting things like honesty, integrity, openess, love, etc.. and then leading by example. The leaderships mentality will not change because they are in a mental fishbowl, out of touch with the real struggle in life. LCM may have learnt about some of the real world whilst going through his recent predicament, however he still more than likely is carrying his (sexual) baggage around with him. And as I have repeatedly said before, the 'new' leadership positions at h.q. level speak volumes to me. "Steady as she goes, full steam ahead" (as the unseen iceberg gets closer) Actually, when I think about it, TWI has already hit the iceberg and is stern down in the water.

Too funny Top of the World !!

I still believe the demons can sit 'dormant' for awhile before 'striking' again. Very good with the Galatians verse and I'd probably finish it off with Matthew 18: 6 !!

Sorry Djs..if I didn't personally know the new 'intl.leadership training' guy who has been appointed, I allllmost could fall for what you're saying !!

A bit of a 'tip'.. Downunder majority of homes are galv. metal. If put up new, let them 'weather' for 6 months to a year before painting. The paint sticks a lot longer !!

I can name one pentecostal church in New Zealand where the call went out from the leadership to financially get ALL their 'single mums' out of debt !! This church actually gave the money to them, what a novel concept !! This church has about 15,000 members.

The 'pollies' would never let the ordinary, everyday people decide their punishment because they know what we would do to them ! This is one of those things that actually strengthens my belief in God, and that there MUST be a 'Judgement Day' because He is a 'righteous' God. I still believe that there is no real genuine healing without genuine justice.

Just after p.o.p. Mic**l Ad*ms and wife Fel**ia split out and went to South Africa (of all places). Whilst there they contacted Gartmore and New Knoxville to see which one would support them with materials and other things. They never got a reply from Gartmore, hence their loyalty went to Ohio. Mic**l Ada*s and family are now the new Intl. Co-ord. at twi and I have to laugh at the 'irony' because he used to 'rant on' about how much he 'hated ' being around h.q. !! His wife also loves the beaches (which is why they fell in love with New Zealand) and Mic**l absolutely adored his 'spanking new' fire engine red Holden Commodore motor vehicle !! The wheels of Gods' justice grind slowly but finely !! Oh and I (presume) he had to leave his 'concubine' behind too.