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Hi Krys, I s'pose even the one word 'whatsoever' could be argued til the cows come home lol...I just happen to think it's whatsoever God's Word says whats oever available to believe for

cute pictures...but can you please just explain WHAT Jesus meant in Matthew 21:22 ????!!! Anyone ???!!! Before re-directing it to 'doctrinal' section ( which is where I can see it being swept to )...please give your 'interpretation' of it? was it a 'gospel' thing only, did he lie, delude, grand stand, seduce, with his statement. Is it an interpretational error...what ??!!

BTW, straw man argument or not, I'd tend to believe someone who has done it 'believing' and seen results, than someone who says it can't be done...it's called a testimony. It's a bit like s.i.t. I'd believe someone who genuinely s.i.t. ( regardless of whether people label it 'free vocalization' or pscycho babble or whatever ) than someone who admitted they faked it ! If all of this to'ing and fro'ing is merely labelled straw man, then what is really the point of discourse, in fact, what is even the point of Greasespot ?!

Oh, I thought Steve was arguing a 'doctrinal point'...the thing is, unless it's extrapolated out, it just stays...'doctrinal'...the way I see it, one can read it for mental stimulation, or bring it off the pages if you like and bring it forth for physical 'stimulation'...maybe THAT'S a good definition of 'believing' in itself ?! it's been referred to as 'mental assent'...now I know V.P. used that term, but it is not a 'new thing'... in reading the actions of Jesus Christ on numerous occasions he appeared to assault the disciples mental assent.

So you're saying Jesus lied when he said "All things whatsoever YOU shall ask in prayer BELIEVING, YOU SHALL RECEIVE" ? or is it a 'translational error' ? or is it a 'figure of speech' ? ? They say that proof is in the pudding...I've seen the 'proof' not only with myself, but MANY others who literaly believed without a 'doubt' in their hearts....without using 'man's wisdom', please explain, I mean let's not start 'selecting' particular scriptures to believe or not believe ( otherwise, you're by default 'proving' V.P. was right in talking about 'Christians' that do such things BTW Steve, ther's actually 1654 promises in KJV ( our study group went through KJV over three weeks noting them ) so I guess God's got plenty to 'live up to' Dattssss roooigghhttt...we got tired of saying 'over 900 promises'...so we thought we'd actually count them...I'm not talking ALL promises either ( i.e. ones that only apply to Israel or such, but ones that WE can draw upon today ! much agape bro

Yes Krys and thanks for that ( I knew it but was just making a point ) ! and MRAP, nice nutshell...one either believes IN 'believing' or not, just like one either believes IN the 'authority' of the written Word...or not...peace out xx

So Twinky ( ;) Jesus meant in Matthew 21:22 that whatsoever we ask in prayer ( regarding ? trusting ? truthfully ? ) we shall receive ?! It's a bit hard too btw when a 9 year old girl is in an induced coma to expect HER to believe ?!

I would agree to disagree Steve...specific times I've needed revelation, I s.i.t. much and when I needed the rev it was there ! One instance was locating a missing person...God led me straight to where they were ( in a city with NO clue as to where they could have gone )...other times in conjunction with believing to sell a house overnight ( for cash ) to get to the states, other times for eg. to minister deliverance to a young relative in a coma...she was up out of it virtually instantaneously....so, really, no-one will convince me that it's all just some mental exercize !! I'm sorry if so few saw any real signs, miracles, wonders in their walk ? Could it be an American thing ? I enjoyed hearing Kenneth Copeland share once how in African nations the people 'struggled' to believe for financial abundance, yet they had no problems believing in healings whereas the western world find it easier to believe in/for abundance yet not healing ? go figure !

We have family still in and to be honest, we hope they stay in for longer....they deserve it

Yeah, the 16 keys of walking by the spirit...."God has something to say to you, God has something to say, listen, listen, pay close attention, God has something to say ...

They've already got that one covered ! apparently, all the 'bad' people are going to be taken away off the planet....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503076&gal_cid=1503076&gallery_id=152613 Interesting this coincides with the Popes new directive on climate change http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11484988

I'm not trying to say ANYTHING ! I just reposted something that as I said in MY sub heading, a short article that helped ME...if someone else reads it and thinks it may help THEM, all good...knowing who the author is or where it was originally printed, or if it's a book/novel that's going to make it to the big screen, or whether it was typed on an apple mac or a windows office works '98 programme, is superfluous...imho

ummm...does it say it's copyrighted ? I thought it's sub heading is quoted as the authors opinion !! btw, you realize your frog avatar is copyrighted ! Darn, this Glenfiddich is yummy

@Johniam...too funny bro ! @Rocky...I wouldn't have thought anyone would look at this article as satire, rules for life, someone's personal experience, a health food alternative, medical opinion, but rather as simply something that someone can read and think "hey, that's me, what a good idea, or, "interesting, I might try that, see if it works" ?! Kind of like Fox news runs an article on a squirrel that attacks a dog, or a jellybean falls from a plane and lands in someone's drink....do you really neeedddd the link and/or acknowledgement on EVERYTHING ??!! So, the person that originally penned the article is an obscure journalist from an obscure country...does this add or detract anything from the article ? This is called Greasespot 'Café', it's not an accredited centre of learning for God's sake !!

Good night lol...you guys still havn a heatwave ? We're in for our coldest week in 15 years !! This global warming thing just might be for real...or not

Really ? I tried the link thing earlier, that's why there's a 'blank' post below it. Seriously, you prefer a link or source for EVERYTHING ?! Why not just enjoy an article for it's little bit of wisdom or humour that it may bring ?! The title ( ironically enough is PERFECTIONISM ) and it is from an article in the New Zealand ( yes, it's a country, not an obscure U.S. state )Herald, by a columnist. I can get back to you with her name, however I seem to recall she is of Asian ethnicity, around 5' 3, quite pretty !!

Hands up if you are a bit of a perfectionist? Thought so. Hands up if you also feel overwhelmed quite a lot. Uh-huh. Stressed out? Check. Here's the thing about perfectionism. We wear it like a badge of honour. Like it's a thing that's bad about us, but is actually - secretly - good. It's the stock answer to the classic interview "What are your greatest weaknesses?" question. "I'm a bit of a perfectionist!" pretty much every candidate will trill triumphantly. It's the traditional negative turned into a positive response, so common in fact that I wonder how many people who say it are indeed perfectionists? Maybe it's just the perfect answer to that question? Perfectionism - the perfect double-edged sword. It can be a useful quality, no doubt about that. If I am having surgery I definitely want that surgeon to exercise her perfectionist qualities at that moment, yessiree. High risk. High stakes. Great time to pull out the perfectionist tendency. Do it. Making a regular weeknight dinner? Not so necessary. Low stakes, medium to low reward. Good enough here is - well - perfectly good enough. This is the key when dealing with your own perfectionism: exercising the lost art of discernment. Treating perfectionism like a special sauce and being discerning about when you apply it. It doesn't have to be like the kid going through the phase where they put tomato ketchup on everything. There are some things you just don't need to put ketchup on, and they have not yet figured out how to be discerning. Perfectionism - think of it like mental ketchup. The perfect complement to some life situations, and a completely unnecessary addition to others. Look at the risk and reward, then discern how much of your perfectionist special sauce needs applying. Don't assume you need to apply it liberally to everything by default. Sometimes good enough really is good enough. Applying perfectionism as your modus operandi, blanket strategy across all situations presented to you in life, is one of the fastest routes to feeling stressed, overwhelmed, irritable and burned-out. It's like a one-way ticket to Overwhelmsville. And it's very little fun to live there. Sure, it's perfectly neat and organised, but it's not very fun, and the To Do list is never-ending. Much of the time "Done" really is better than "Perfect". As a general rule the world doesn't reward perfectionists - it rewards people who get stuff done. Most of the time, Done will trump Perfect. That way you fast-track out of overwhelm, get more done and still get to maximise that quality when it really counts. Save your perfect ketchup for the times it really counts.

m.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid

My life changed for the better, considering where it quite likely would have ended up. I didn't cop too much flak whilst in, the flak from their religious toads came when I left lol. When I left, life improved even more, mentally, spiritually, financially, by about 500 percent.

The affairs going on between differn't married couples at family campus was enough for us to check out of the 'hotel'

Okaaayyyy....no violence in todays twi ? are you freakn serious ??!! I have 'relatives' still in who like to resort to violence and threats of violence...no sexual impropriety in todays twi ? again are you freakn serious ??!! I know people who are in leadership positions in twi TODAY who have been men whores on a regular basis...and yes I have 2, 3 more witnesses to this....wake the f up and smell the f'n coffee dwaynebrain

http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/4639/ian-wisharts-new-book-totalitaria-his-most-controversial-ever/

If not down the toilet, someones hand is certainly on the flush handle ! Everything from Halal certification on every product purchased in supermarkets to climate change not 'having' to be on every new piece of legislation ( a newspaper quote from New Zealands prime minister...yep, sadly scary.

To be honest that David Thorne dude sounds like a bit of a smug, conceited and what we call downunda a wank....a bit like me before I got born again lol